Agreed, such an important topic. Can't wait to hear more from PERIL about tools that might be effective in our local communities. As we are coming together to protest, might feel good to learn how we can also be building healthier communities.
Lots of interesting information, looking forward to hearing more from these folks. But would someone please tell that guy that he should stop shouldering her out of the scene? He is leaning so far into her space that she has been pushed to the side. I can go to any cable news station any time of the day and see qualified professional women being smooshed to the edges but I’m not going to watch casual misogyny here. Smug it down and lean out, fella. You ain’t the center of the universe no matter how smart you think you are.
“There's no explanation for why a crisis of boys and men should have resulted in a crisis of misogyny or violent extremism mobilization, but that is a pattern we're seeing.”
Geez. If these guys really think this is new stuff they need to look at some history because this is the most ancient story there is. At this point all they need to do is read The Handmaid’s Tale, for chrissakes. A lot of young males (of many mammalian and avian species, actually) look for a pack to hunt females with. But this behavior becomes unacceptable when human men have to live in civilized societies that require them to respect the rights of women. When men assume they are entitled to be at the top of the heap of power and resources and then unexpectedly find out they have to share that power and resources, they often become angry and resentful and violent and seek other angry men to whine with. They don’t think they should have to compete with women for all the goodies. Two of the most celebrated western eras were the Renaissance and the Enlightenment, which were also during the centuries when thousands of European women were burned as witches. Women were literally property to be disposed of as their powerful male relatives saw fit for their own benefit. These were good times for men, but definitely not for women. Periodically as soon as women start to make even the most minor strides toward equality, or even toward some semblance of individual autonomy so they are no longer sexual slaves, the violent misogynist male backlash raises its disgusting head. We are right back here again and it’s going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better: women are already dying and being maimed in American states with abortion bans. These are the same damn battles — the battles for survival — that we have been fighting for millennia. How many Renaissance painters (old masters, of course) can anyone name and how many of them were women? How many people know that Thoreau was able to brag about living close to nature thinking great thoughts was because his sister and mother cooked his meals and did his laundry? So much for his much vaunted (and delusional) self-sufficiency. Of the 976 individual Nobel prizes in science that have been awarded, 19 (fewer than 2%) have gone to women, who make up more than half of the human population. Yeah, men hate sharing and will violently cling on to power. And they have arranged to perpetuate the patriarchy so they don’t have to. Nothing new here.
Thank you so much for this important conversation, Jen. We are desperately in need of good information and tools to prevent people from getting involved in violent or terrorist ideology to handle a sense of revenge, anger, frustration, isolation, unhappiness, powerlessness, or a myriad of negative emotional states. Boys and young men around the world deserve to grow up with a view of the world and their place in it that is hopeful, supportive and inclusive. If not, that void can be filled with hate and violence and an association with like minded people. Being included and valued is a need we all have. Let’s do all that we can to make sure they pick the right group. As grandmother to three beloved grandsons, I look forward to more of this conversation.
Wow, I was surprised to hear 30% of young men (under 30 yrs) report not having a single friend. Couple that with income inequality and housing costs and it is not surprising that violent acts referenced in the talk had grown 2000%.
Sorry, but I just can’t accept the premise that not having friends or opportunity should lead young men to violence. Disadvantaged young women don’t seem to have this issue, probably because they are not socialized from birth to think of themselves as the superior gender with a right to succeed regardless of effort. And that if they don’t succeed, it’s understandable that they would respond with violence.
This is so important! Thank you for setting up what will be very helpful to us all. The more we can each offer gentle forms of inclusion to others we may encounter day to day, the more they will take sustenance from life itself instead of being drawn into online extremism. We each can make a difference.
This interview could have used more editing and clearer preparation; it's a bit on and on. Does "CP3, the Center for Prevention of Hard Programs and Partnerships in the Department of Homeland Security" refers to an actual program in the current Administration's Department of Homeland Security?
Looking forward to learning what I can say to family members who have drunk the koolaid
Agreed, such an important topic. Can't wait to hear more from PERIL about tools that might be effective in our local communities. As we are coming together to protest, might feel good to learn how we can also be building healthier communities.
Lots of interesting information, looking forward to hearing more from these folks. But would someone please tell that guy that he should stop shouldering her out of the scene? He is leaning so far into her space that she has been pushed to the side. I can go to any cable news station any time of the day and see qualified professional women being smooshed to the edges but I’m not going to watch casual misogyny here. Smug it down and lean out, fella. You ain’t the center of the universe no matter how smart you think you are.
“There's no explanation for why a crisis of boys and men should have resulted in a crisis of misogyny or violent extremism mobilization, but that is a pattern we're seeing.”
Geez. If these guys really think this is new stuff they need to look at some history because this is the most ancient story there is. At this point all they need to do is read The Handmaid’s Tale, for chrissakes. A lot of young males (of many mammalian and avian species, actually) look for a pack to hunt females with. But this behavior becomes unacceptable when human men have to live in civilized societies that require them to respect the rights of women. When men assume they are entitled to be at the top of the heap of power and resources and then unexpectedly find out they have to share that power and resources, they often become angry and resentful and violent and seek other angry men to whine with. They don’t think they should have to compete with women for all the goodies. Two of the most celebrated western eras were the Renaissance and the Enlightenment, which were also during the centuries when thousands of European women were burned as witches. Women were literally property to be disposed of as their powerful male relatives saw fit for their own benefit. These were good times for men, but definitely not for women. Periodically as soon as women start to make even the most minor strides toward equality, or even toward some semblance of individual autonomy so they are no longer sexual slaves, the violent misogynist male backlash raises its disgusting head. We are right back here again and it’s going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better: women are already dying and being maimed in American states with abortion bans. These are the same damn battles — the battles for survival — that we have been fighting for millennia. How many Renaissance painters (old masters, of course) can anyone name and how many of them were women? How many people know that Thoreau was able to brag about living close to nature thinking great thoughts was because his sister and mother cooked his meals and did his laundry? So much for his much vaunted (and delusional) self-sufficiency. Of the 976 individual Nobel prizes in science that have been awarded, 19 (fewer than 2%) have gone to women, who make up more than half of the human population. Yeah, men hate sharing and will violently cling on to power. And they have arranged to perpetuate the patriarchy so they don’t have to. Nothing new here.
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Hypatia
https://www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/Aristotle-Witchcraft-And-Witch-Hunts/
https://www.nobelprize.org/womenwhochangedscience/stories
https://lostnewengland.com/2021/12/thoreaus-cove-walden-pond-concord-mass/
Thank you so much for this important conversation, Jen. We are desperately in need of good information and tools to prevent people from getting involved in violent or terrorist ideology to handle a sense of revenge, anger, frustration, isolation, unhappiness, powerlessness, or a myriad of negative emotional states. Boys and young men around the world deserve to grow up with a view of the world and their place in it that is hopeful, supportive and inclusive. If not, that void can be filled with hate and violence and an association with like minded people. Being included and valued is a need we all have. Let’s do all that we can to make sure they pick the right group. As grandmother to three beloved grandsons, I look forward to more of this conversation.
Wow, I was surprised to hear 30% of young men (under 30 yrs) report not having a single friend. Couple that with income inequality and housing costs and it is not surprising that violent acts referenced in the talk had grown 2000%.
Sorry, but I just can’t accept the premise that not having friends or opportunity should lead young men to violence. Disadvantaged young women don’t seem to have this issue, probably because they are not socialized from birth to think of themselves as the superior gender with a right to succeed regardless of effort. And that if they don’t succeed, it’s understandable that they would respond with violence.
Great interview. Thank you. I love their focus at looking at upstream mechanisms/drivers of extremism.
This is so important! Thank you for setting up what will be very helpful to us all. The more we can each offer gentle forms of inclusion to others we may encounter day to day, the more they will take sustenance from life itself instead of being drawn into online extremism. We each can make a difference.
Very much enjoyed this and would love to see links for this organization to see if I might be able to introduce these programs into my community
Are we getting violent? Tesla?
This interview could have used more editing and clearer preparation; it's a bit on and on. Does "CP3, the Center for Prevention of Hard Programs and Partnerships in the Department of Homeland Security" refers to an actual program in the current Administration's Department of Homeland Security?