I lived in NC I hired a lawyer in the early 90s for a lawsuit when I had to sue a person due to an auto accident where I was severely injured and they totaled my car. The lawyer asked me to find another lawyer once they discovered I am gay. Mind you we were in the middle of the lawsuit and they said find new counsel once they saw my medical records that indicated I was gay. There was nothing I could do except change counsel and the same holds true today because someone can just say that it violates their religious beliefs. If I were to say they violated my religious beliefs that says it is night right to discriminate, which I believe is a basic Christian tenet, it would be thrown out by the courts, especially SCOTUS.
Perhaps there will come a day in Tennessee when a doctor declines to provide care to a patient because they are MAGA and morally repulsive to the physician.
Charles Welsh -You have written the BEST COMMENT I have ever read on this topic.
I am a (retired) pediatrician and all the years I worked I would never have refused care for this reason - but I would certainly consider that a reason to "divorce" the patient now.
We sometimes asked parents to find another doctor if those parents refused to vaccinate their children and could/would bring vaccine preventable illnesses into our office. And that was a difficult procedure after we tried to educate them and explain how measles and other viral illness are easily caught. We wanted to keep the children healthy - our goal.
I still believe in my passion and oath to help people - all people. But I can empathize with physicians in the states with awful laws that deny proper care to all people. The time is coming when there won't be many physicians in those states. There are already medical deserts. When and Where do the people of those states move to - to regain their right to live?
By these same laws a urologist can refuse to treat prostate cancer, testicular cancer, low testosterone and impotence as well as coronary artery disease and many other diseases that affect males. Both male and female urology specialists can deny treatment to male patients for any reason. And yes female urology specialists exist especially in large cities and they treat both men and women. Discrimination works both ways. The South has quickly become the armpit of the United States.
" The South has quickly become the armpit of the United States." Has become? Did you miss slavery and Jim Crow? The lynchings? The torching of Black communities in southern cities in reaction to their having built successful shopping areas? Support of private schools so that white kids don't have study with Black kids, and depriving those public schools of financial support?
I am more than aware of the civil rights atrocities that occurred in the 60’s and before. That was all well before my time but unfortunately none of that is in our history books as well as the glossing over of WWII history. The topic here is referring to the loss of bodily autonomy in women which has obviously gone beyond abortion rights. The South has still not learned their lessons from that era. Not only are we seeing atrocities against immigrants and women but we are still seeing them against people of color. It just so happens that women’s rights are on the chopping block now. Where does it end? Blatant discrimination laws will create mayhem everywhere. These laws are in place because our ignorant electorate is electing politicians who are holier than thou religious fundamentalists who are trying to impose their beliefs on others. Fascism has become acceptable to conservative politicians and their supporters. It must be turned around or we’ll be like a cult driven nation.
Of course I agree with your comments, but I see what's happening now and what Jennifer is addressing as being contemporary heads of the same old snake.
Obviously the wellbeing of the unborn has no value when an opportunity to smite a perceived evildoer emerges. You might say smiting a sinner “Trumps” the rights of the unborn in such circumstances .
No siree Jim Bob, I did not miss that. My family of origin were Rabid Republicans ( my father wanted Barry Goldwater to become president!!! That’s about as rabid as it gets)
My father loathed anyone who wasn’t Wonder White bread and my mother was raised to believe all Negroes wanted to rape white women.
I am digressing to make a point, please bear with me.
I never bought their messages of fear and hate. The only differences I could see or believe was the pigmentation of skin.
I am now 76 years old and continue to view darker skin as a result of pigmentation. The only thing that has changed over the years is that I now believe white men are sick with envy over the physical prowess of black men/ black athletes
If a person's religious beliefs are so fragile that they cannot stand after that person encounters someone with whom they disagree, then that person and their beliefs are the problem.
Only slightly off subject, I know that in Texas it is a felony to distribute misoprostol.
I'm in a blue state, thankfully, because I was prescribed misoprostol to facilitate doing a D&C--not for an abortion but to test for endometrial cancer at 66. Those who pass laws blocking either that drug or that procedure should be arrested for practicing medicine without a license.
And for the woman denied prenatal care due to her marital status: those doctors are in violation of their Hippocratic oath and the religion they claim. At the very least, they should be required to read the story of the Samaritan woman at the well who couldn't believe she was being treated with respect in spite of being a woman, divorced, living in sin, and of a looked-down-on minority.
Whatever happened to What Would Jesus Do? Much less, what DID he do in that circumstance? He treated her with respect and as an equal and she came away a better person for his kindnesses.
That would be the wimpy Jesus from Nazareth. H has been cast aside for Manly Republican Jesus who took water at the well, and then kicked the woman out of the way, before heading back to request to cast the first stone, and say, "Let the children suffer."
Tennessee, where I was born and raised, is now the buckle of the Bible Belt. I finally had to move to that liberal Commonwealth of Kentucky. 🤔 Tennessee has some blue pockets in urban areas, but rural Tennessee is another story. With gerrymandering it has gotten worse. And the favorite to be the next Governor.... Marsha Blackburn.
I couldn't agree more, but what are we going to do about it? Outrage in the political arena is unlikely to be persuasive. For instance, arguing that this another illustration of the loss of democracy is a nonstarter. State abortion bans illustrate democracy in the U.S. We're a federation of democratic states.
We need to change hearts and minds. Anecdotes like the opening unmarried woman help (although she's been married for 15 years under Colorado law, and should say so). Economic isolation of abortion banning states will change minds but that will take a decade or two. And again, that requires work outside the political arena.
Finally, you should disassociate transgender rights from the abortion issue. I join the majority of Americans in championing equal rights for all humans, including those suffering the transgender "affliction" (Chistene Jorgensen), but in strongly rejecting the transactivist agenda as best exampled by WPATH. Run, don't walk away from that extremist organization if you want to attract voters hearts and mind.
I did not realize Tennessee had surpassed Mississippi in maternal mortality. I imagine with "health care" professionals picking and choosing who they deign to treat, it will catch up with and possibly surpass, Mississippi in infant mortality as well. Because "pro life."
I lived in NC I hired a lawyer in the early 90s for a lawsuit when I had to sue a person due to an auto accident where I was severely injured and they totaled my car. The lawyer asked me to find another lawyer once they discovered I am gay. Mind you we were in the middle of the lawsuit and they said find new counsel once they saw my medical records that indicated I was gay. There was nothing I could do except change counsel and the same holds true today because someone can just say that it violates their religious beliefs. If I were to say they violated my religious beliefs that says it is night right to discriminate, which I believe is a basic Christian tenet, it would be thrown out by the courts, especially SCOTUS.
John Scopes was not enough for Tennessee?
Perhaps there will come a day in Tennessee when a doctor declines to provide care to a patient because they are MAGA and morally repulsive to the physician.
Charles Welsh -You have written the BEST COMMENT I have ever read on this topic.
I am a (retired) pediatrician and all the years I worked I would never have refused care for this reason - but I would certainly consider that a reason to "divorce" the patient now.
We sometimes asked parents to find another doctor if those parents refused to vaccinate their children and could/would bring vaccine preventable illnesses into our office. And that was a difficult procedure after we tried to educate them and explain how measles and other viral illness are easily caught. We wanted to keep the children healthy - our goal.
I still believe in my passion and oath to help people - all people. But I can empathize with physicians in the states with awful laws that deny proper care to all people. The time is coming when there won't be many physicians in those states. There are already medical deserts. When and Where do the people of those states move to - to regain their right to live?
By these same laws a urologist can refuse to treat prostate cancer, testicular cancer, low testosterone and impotence as well as coronary artery disease and many other diseases that affect males. Both male and female urology specialists can deny treatment to male patients for any reason. And yes female urology specialists exist especially in large cities and they treat both men and women. Discrimination works both ways. The South has quickly become the armpit of the United States.
" The South has quickly become the armpit of the United States." Has become? Did you miss slavery and Jim Crow? The lynchings? The torching of Black communities in southern cities in reaction to their having built successful shopping areas? Support of private schools so that white kids don't have study with Black kids, and depriving those public schools of financial support?
I am more than aware of the civil rights atrocities that occurred in the 60’s and before. That was all well before my time but unfortunately none of that is in our history books as well as the glossing over of WWII history. The topic here is referring to the loss of bodily autonomy in women which has obviously gone beyond abortion rights. The South has still not learned their lessons from that era. Not only are we seeing atrocities against immigrants and women but we are still seeing them against people of color. It just so happens that women’s rights are on the chopping block now. Where does it end? Blatant discrimination laws will create mayhem everywhere. These laws are in place because our ignorant electorate is electing politicians who are holier than thou religious fundamentalists who are trying to impose their beliefs on others. Fascism has become acceptable to conservative politicians and their supporters. It must be turned around or we’ll be like a cult driven nation.
Of course I agree with your comments, but I see what's happening now and what Jennifer is addressing as being contemporary heads of the same old snake.
Obviously the wellbeing of the unborn has no value when an opportunity to smite a perceived evildoer emerges. You might say smiting a sinner “Trumps” the rights of the unborn in such circumstances .
No siree Jim Bob, I did not miss that. My family of origin were Rabid Republicans ( my father wanted Barry Goldwater to become president!!! That’s about as rabid as it gets)
My father loathed anyone who wasn’t Wonder White bread and my mother was raised to believe all Negroes wanted to rape white women.
I am digressing to make a point, please bear with me.
I never bought their messages of fear and hate. The only differences I could see or believe was the pigmentation of skin.
I am now 76 years old and continue to view darker skin as a result of pigmentation. The only thing that has changed over the years is that I now believe white men are sick with envy over the physical prowess of black men/ black athletes
If a person's religious beliefs are so fragile that they cannot stand after that person encounters someone with whom they disagree, then that person and their beliefs are the problem.
Only slightly off subject, I know that in Texas it is a felony to distribute misoprostol.
I'm in a blue state, thankfully, because I was prescribed misoprostol to facilitate doing a D&C--not for an abortion but to test for endometrial cancer at 66. Those who pass laws blocking either that drug or that procedure should be arrested for practicing medicine without a license.
And for the woman denied prenatal care due to her marital status: those doctors are in violation of their Hippocratic oath and the religion they claim. At the very least, they should be required to read the story of the Samaritan woman at the well who couldn't believe she was being treated with respect in spite of being a woman, divorced, living in sin, and of a looked-down-on minority.
Whatever happened to What Would Jesus Do? Much less, what DID he do in that circumstance? He treated her with respect and as an equal and she came away a better person for his kindnesses.
That would be the wimpy Jesus from Nazareth. H has been cast aside for Manly Republican Jesus who took water at the well, and then kicked the woman out of the way, before heading back to request to cast the first stone, and say, "Let the children suffer."
Tennessee, where I was born and raised, is now the buckle of the Bible Belt. I finally had to move to that liberal Commonwealth of Kentucky. 🤔 Tennessee has some blue pockets in urban areas, but rural Tennessee is another story. With gerrymandering it has gotten worse. And the favorite to be the next Governor.... Marsha Blackburn.
I'm sorry to read that.
What's next, denying medical care to the unmarried thirteen-year-old who can't get an abortion under state law and is pregnant after being raped?
I couldn't agree more, but what are we going to do about it? Outrage in the political arena is unlikely to be persuasive. For instance, arguing that this another illustration of the loss of democracy is a nonstarter. State abortion bans illustrate democracy in the U.S. We're a federation of democratic states.
We need to change hearts and minds. Anecdotes like the opening unmarried woman help (although she's been married for 15 years under Colorado law, and should say so). Economic isolation of abortion banning states will change minds but that will take a decade or two. And again, that requires work outside the political arena.
Finally, you should disassociate transgender rights from the abortion issue. I join the majority of Americans in championing equal rights for all humans, including those suffering the transgender "affliction" (Chistene Jorgensen), but in strongly rejecting the transactivist agenda as best exampled by WPATH. Run, don't walk away from that extremist organization if you want to attract voters hearts and mind.
I did not realize Tennessee had surpassed Mississippi in maternal mortality. I imagine with "health care" professionals picking and choosing who they deign to treat, it will catch up with and possibly surpass, Mississippi in infant mortality as well. Because "pro life."