The last time I looked the University of Oklahoma was a public institution, operating under state law. If the student who submitted that poor excuse for an academic paper wants the prestige of a diploma from a state institution, she should follow the guidelines of her instructors and professors to do the work as it's assigned, meeting the specified requirements for completing assignments. If the student is not prepared to do that, I'm sure she could find a private college that meets her needs for academic mediocrity, where she may be able to spew all she wants about what she thinks the Bible says.
This is a great example of hampering academic freedom and denying respect for educators. I have seen this enacted by partisans across the political spectrum. It is wrong no matter who is involved.
With forty years of college and university teaching behind me, I see this appalling example of institutional bigotry as typically indicative of the very worst tendencies in the American character. For some reason, THE KKK of the 1920s in Oklahoma comes to mind.
The student is quite correct; she has a First Amendment right to say anything she wants, either on or off the requested topic of her assignment. Unfortunately for her, that has nothing to do with how her instructor evaluates the quality of her response, and whether it was germane to the question she was asked.
Fulnecky would have been much better off if she took the very patient, constructive criticism she received from BOTH her professors and asked for a chance to resubmit her paper. Instead, she played the christian victim card, and the right wing found its newest darling and its latest trans target, as she knew they would. The problem for Fulnecky is that she won't always be the right's newest shiny object, and there won't be people helping her fail upward forever. She got a failing grade because she couldn't do the work. She still can't. And this incident is a damning indictment of OU's standards.
“Please note that I am not deducting points because you have certain beliefs, but instead I am deducting points for you posting a reaction paper that does not answer the questions for this assignment, contradicts itself, heavily uses personal ideology over empirical evidence in a scientific class, and is at times offensive,” Curth wrote. If OU administrators don't see or understand this clear and respectful response by Ms. Curth, they need to be suspended, not her.
Kristi Fulnecky, Samantha’s mother, is an attorney in Springfield, MO. She was elected to City Council was was determined to be ineligible to serve because she’d operated her business without a city license and hadn’t paid some taxes. She loves the cameras, paints herself as a devout Christian and whines about what a victim she is.
This is so frustrating. As a professor I expect that my university would support me in a situation like this, no matter my personal gender. It had nothing to do with the student’s response to the paper. Very frustrating.
Perhaps the critical element missing is that this is a psych class (graduate level, I seem to recall). One purpose of the paper seemed to be directly tied to how one would approach trauma. It would be rather sad for a clinician hit the street with such a judgmental approach to assisting others.
Had the research been done 40 years sooner, I could have been one of the boys with a low gender typicality score who experienced some bullying because of it. Fortunately, not too much. Today, I am a fairly ordinary, cis-het grandpa. There’s nothing in the paper’s abstract that is specific to the LGBTQ+ community. Ms. Fulnecky wrote her response to a paper she imagined and did a poor job of writing it.
This is just another example of "Christians" expecting...and getting...privileged treatment. As in: "You can't use the same criteria to assess me that you use to assess other students because...I'm special."
It would help to see the grading rubric for the assignment. As for the feedback, the professor gave more than I would have. "Your grade reflects the fact that you didn't follow the instructions for the assignment," is probably all that's needed.
I have reached the sad conclusion that Red and Blue America are like a couple stuck in a bad, rapidly becoming abusive, marriage that’s ruptured beyond repair. We’ve reached the point where the best solution is a (amicable, I hope—but doubt) divorce.
Think of it—Blue America can set up a modern country, with a modern economy based on technology and information. There will be equal rights and representation in a democratic (small d) government. Everyone will have the final say in controlling their own bodies except where endangering others is involved (so we will have immunization mandates). There will be a strong social safety net so nobody goes hungry, un-housed or without health insurance. Nobody will impose their religious beliefs on anyone else, and everyone will be free to follow whatever religion they want, or no religion if they so desire.
And the bumpkins, morons, Yahoos, misogynists, bigots, racists, rubes and boobs of Red America can have their hearts’ delight setting up their very own Third World country, right here on the North American continent! The government will be authoritarian, with no free elections and with few rights. Women will be considered the property of their fathers (or oldest male blood relative if dad is dead) until they marry, and then they will be property of their husband. It will have a Third World economy, based on extraction (agriculture, mining, timber, heavy manufacturing) with a very few ultra-rich people who live apart from society and feel no responsibility toward it. They won’t be in the government because they don’t have to be—the government will be at their beck and call. There will be a small middle class, running ever faster on the economic treadmill just to stay even. There will be a good-sized working class, working several jobs, none of which has benefits, just to make ends meet. And there will be a large underclass, living in shantytowns, just trying to survive. There will be epidemics of (and deaths from) measles, German Measles (with its attendant lethal birth defectcs), Hepatitis A and B, and many other vaccine-preventalbe diseases so the morons can have their freedom to spread disease.
I don’t pretend that the divorce will be easy. First, all of us have been living high on the hog from other people’s borrowed money so we’ll need to split up the national debt. We’ll also need to divvy up Federal property. Harder still will be the fact that even in deep Blue states, rural areas are solidly red—like the Eastern Shore and Appalachia in Maryland. Similarly, in ruby-Red Texas, the big cities (Houston, Austin, San Antonio) are solidly Blue and even Dallas is competitive. The disruption will be akin to setting up India and Pakistan when British South Asia was partitioned in 1947. But we’ll work it out.
The last time I looked the University of Oklahoma was a public institution, operating under state law. If the student who submitted that poor excuse for an academic paper wants the prestige of a diploma from a state institution, she should follow the guidelines of her instructors and professors to do the work as it's assigned, meeting the specified requirements for completing assignments. If the student is not prepared to do that, I'm sure she could find a private college that meets her needs for academic mediocrity, where she may be able to spew all she wants about what she thinks the Bible says.
This is a great example of hampering academic freedom and denying respect for educators. I have seen this enacted by partisans across the political spectrum. It is wrong no matter who is involved.
I have so much to say here that my fingers are stumbling over each other.
The assignment was clear, the student did not address it at all, and it is obvious that the faculty member explained all of that very clearly.
Grow up, little girl. You are (presumably) in college to learn something.
With forty years of college and university teaching behind me, I see this appalling example of institutional bigotry as typically indicative of the very worst tendencies in the American character. For some reason, THE KKK of the 1920s in Oklahoma comes to mind.
The student is quite correct; she has a First Amendment right to say anything she wants, either on or off the requested topic of her assignment. Unfortunately for her, that has nothing to do with how her instructor evaluates the quality of her response, and whether it was germane to the question she was asked.
Exactly.
Fulnecky would have been much better off if she took the very patient, constructive criticism she received from BOTH her professors and asked for a chance to resubmit her paper. Instead, she played the christian victim card, and the right wing found its newest darling and its latest trans target, as she knew they would. The problem for Fulnecky is that she won't always be the right's newest shiny object, and there won't be people helping her fail upward forever. She got a failing grade because she couldn't do the work. She still can't. And this incident is a damning indictment of OU's standards.
Is she blonde and pretty, like Riley Gaines? If so she may be able to milk this for a few years. If not, she'd better cash in fast.
dark-haired and pretty
Clairol time!
ooh…will have to track that…
“Please note that I am not deducting points because you have certain beliefs, but instead I am deducting points for you posting a reaction paper that does not answer the questions for this assignment, contradicts itself, heavily uses personal ideology over empirical evidence in a scientific class, and is at times offensive,” Curth wrote. If OU administrators don't see or understand this clear and respectful response by Ms. Curth, they need to be suspended, not her.
Kristi Fulnecky, Samantha’s mother, is an attorney in Springfield, MO. She was elected to City Council was was determined to be ineligible to serve because she’d operated her business without a city license and hadn’t paid some taxes. She loves the cameras, paints herself as a devout Christian and whines about what a victim she is.
The apple didn’t fall far from the tree.
Sorry, meant to”but was determined to be ineligible.”
Sorry, hit send too soon! I promise I’m a better writer than Ms. Fulnecky!
Wow. The end of education, public and private, is fast approaching.
Now we have madrassahs. Funny how the Trump regime looks more like the Taliban(which the US gov created and funded) every day.
This is so frustrating. As a professor I expect that my university would support me in a situation like this, no matter my personal gender. It had nothing to do with the student’s response to the paper. Very frustrating.
Perhaps the critical element missing is that this is a psych class (graduate level, I seem to recall). One purpose of the paper seemed to be directly tied to how one would approach trauma. It would be rather sad for a clinician hit the street with such a judgmental approach to assisting others.
Ms. Young says we should support this teacher, and I'm all for that. How can we as lay people do something to support her?
Had the research been done 40 years sooner, I could have been one of the boys with a low gender typicality score who experienced some bullying because of it. Fortunately, not too much. Today, I am a fairly ordinary, cis-het grandpa. There’s nothing in the paper’s abstract that is specific to the LGBTQ+ community. Ms. Fulnecky wrote her response to a paper she imagined and did a poor job of writing it.
“high-cost disinformation factories” is a wonderful description of many for-profit religious colleges today
This is just another example of "Christians" expecting...and getting...privileged treatment. As in: "You can't use the same criteria to assess me that you use to assess other students because...I'm special."
It would help to see the grading rubric for the assignment. As for the feedback, the professor gave more than I would have. "Your grade reflects the fact that you didn't follow the instructions for the assignment," is probably all that's needed.
https://kfor.com/news/oklahoma-education/students-speak-out-after-ou-educator-put-on-leave-for-giving-a-failing-grade/?fbclid=IwY2xjawOewe1leHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFlSDVMMDFnTlVhRUJCamxJc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHoKgKzBNxu8al6K8AhRsw3StH5cEswfuTApHKdaB6W3iInlthy7RlMRlR7NA_aem_kUfWgy1mmQc04LLZenVaKQ.
This article has some information on the rubric and assignment.
I have reached the sad conclusion that Red and Blue America are like a couple stuck in a bad, rapidly becoming abusive, marriage that’s ruptured beyond repair. We’ve reached the point where the best solution is a (amicable, I hope—but doubt) divorce.
Think of it—Blue America can set up a modern country, with a modern economy based on technology and information. There will be equal rights and representation in a democratic (small d) government. Everyone will have the final say in controlling their own bodies except where endangering others is involved (so we will have immunization mandates). There will be a strong social safety net so nobody goes hungry, un-housed or without health insurance. Nobody will impose their religious beliefs on anyone else, and everyone will be free to follow whatever religion they want, or no religion if they so desire.
And the bumpkins, morons, Yahoos, misogynists, bigots, racists, rubes and boobs of Red America can have their hearts’ delight setting up their very own Third World country, right here on the North American continent! The government will be authoritarian, with no free elections and with few rights. Women will be considered the property of their fathers (or oldest male blood relative if dad is dead) until they marry, and then they will be property of their husband. It will have a Third World economy, based on extraction (agriculture, mining, timber, heavy manufacturing) with a very few ultra-rich people who live apart from society and feel no responsibility toward it. They won’t be in the government because they don’t have to be—the government will be at their beck and call. There will be a small middle class, running ever faster on the economic treadmill just to stay even. There will be a good-sized working class, working several jobs, none of which has benefits, just to make ends meet. And there will be a large underclass, living in shantytowns, just trying to survive. There will be epidemics of (and deaths from) measles, German Measles (with its attendant lethal birth defectcs), Hepatitis A and B, and many other vaccine-preventalbe diseases so the morons can have their freedom to spread disease.
I don’t pretend that the divorce will be easy. First, all of us have been living high on the hog from other people’s borrowed money so we’ll need to split up the national debt. We’ll also need to divvy up Federal property. Harder still will be the fact that even in deep Blue states, rural areas are solidly red—like the Eastern Shore and Appalachia in Maryland. Similarly, in ruby-Red Texas, the big cities (Houston, Austin, San Antonio) are solidly Blue and even Dallas is competitive. The disruption will be akin to setting up India and Pakistan when British South Asia was partitioned in 1947. But we’ll work it out.