When a person is surrounded by threats and abusers, those who make the threats and commit the abuse are implicated in a resulting suicide...even if they go unpunished.
My comment was meant only to support her family's belief that she did commit suicide and don't seem to see foul play at work in her death. I don't disagree that her past abusers bear responsibility for her suicide.
It's certainly a question worth asking! Is it a question for which we will ever get a valid answer? Doubtful! The cover up goes on, just in new and expanding directions every day!
Why doesn’t Trump immediately order Bondi to make the documents public?
Prosecutors like Maureen Comey have seen the files and can testify to what they saw.
Senator Ron Wyden has repeatedly sought to have the full Jeffrey Epstein financial files released by the U.S. Treasury Department, but has been unable to issue a subpoena for the records through the Senate Finance Committee due to a lack of bipartisan support. He has instead introduced a bill to compel their release.
Epstein is dead. Attorney client privilege died with him. The following had files and their Epstein files should be subpoenaed.
Roy Black: A prominent Miami defense attorney who was part of the legal team that negotiated the controversial 2008 non-prosecution agreement (NPA) in Florida, which allowed Epstein to avoid federal charges by pleading guilty to lesser state offenses. Black died in July 2025.
Alan Dershowitz: A Harvard Law School professor and well-known defense attorney who joined Epstein's legal team around 2005 and played a significant role in negotiating the NPA. Dershowitz has consistently denied accusations made by one of Epstein's victims that she was forced to have sex with him.
Kenneth Starr: A former independent counsel, Starr was a partner and later counsel at Kirkland & Ellis and was involved in Epstein's legal representation during the time of the 2008 plea deal.
Jay Lefkowitz: A longtime partner at Kirkland & Ellis, Lefkowitz was one of Epstein's defense attorneys in the 2007 case and met with then-U.S. Attorney Alexander Acosta to discuss the plea deal.
Darren Indyke and Richard Kahn: These individuals served as Epstein's longtime personal attorney and accountant, respectively, and were named as executors of his will. They have been sued by victims who claim they helped build the financial infrastructure that enabled Epstein's abuses.
Martin Weinberg and Marc Allan Fernich: These attorneys represented Epstein in the 2019 federal sex trafficking case in New York.
This victim is apparently the same person that Michael Cohen was sent by Trump to find. Tara Palmeri's reporting focuses on a "Jane Doe" lawsuit from 2016 which alleged that Trump raped a 13-year-old girl at Epstein's Manhattan townhouse in the 1990s. The lawsuit was dropped days before the election.
Cohen's Admission: In interviews with Palmeri, Michael Cohen admitted that he dispatched a private investigator to track down the anonymous plaintiff in that case. He explained his attempts to locate the woman and what his investigator found.
Silence from Media: Palmeri has highlighted her frustration that this admission has largely been ignored by mainstream media outlets, a point she discussed on The Young Turks. Podcast Episodes: The interviews and discussions are featured on "The Tara Palmeri Show."
Regarding the 13 year old rape victim, read the 7/25/25 Substack post of Kate Manne (More to Hate) who teaches philosophy at Cornell. Knowing what we have learned since about the Epstein/Maxwell operation, the 2016 testimony is credible.
I suggest there was also silence from Joe Biden and the Democrats! By leaving this out of the discussion, we are complicit in the cover-up. Can we claim a moral stepladder to resolution when we are allowing "our" side a free pass?
See, this was the way it used to be long, long ago. "The DOJ could not [legally] interfere publicly while her case was ongoing." That was back when one thing lawyers were supposed to do was obey laws.
Passivity when addressing pedophiles or any other criminal issue is still considered criminal! Are you suggesting that being "passive" when governing is acceptable, and if so, why is Trump's passivity unacceptable? Where is the high ground here, and how can we be so adamant that a man like Trump, because of his inherent disregard for the law and all other issues, except himself, is the ultimate villain here, just because of his character?
I am sorry, but this cannot hold true! Biden's and the Democratic Party's withholding the material, regardless of the excuse of somnolence, places them as complicit as Trump! This is why we are facing the authoritarian State today> Democrats have NOT been honest with the country or themselves when they have had control of the White House!
By allowing this issue to be openly and completely expressed, we are behaving exactly like Trump and the Republicans! This allows for those in Congress, like Schumer and the 8 traitors to democracy, to maintain control! We need to change, and we need to begin to address the issues, not just the politics, or we will never get our democracy back!
Garland was indeed a dud. A total dud. I so wish Biden had let him go and found someone who could have used the Office to good effect. If that had happened, Trump would no longer be a problem.
Perhaps you don’t know how COMMON it is for underage girls (and evidently boys) to be molested and/or raped (frequently) by family members, care home personnel, school personnel, sports and other physicians, clergy (along with their absolution for parishioners’ sins), Boy Scout leaders, cops, and neighbors. I met a woman molested at home since she was a toddler and raped weekly by her father and his brother after she hit the 11 year mark. The Epstein-Bannon-Trump +++ scandal is generating a high level of hysterical attention and lots of finger pointing because the villains happen to be depraved as well as rich and well-connected. You don’t think vulnerable children across the USA and the rest of the world are in daily jeopardy? Check out the porn sites. Few people step up to protect these children—but a whole lot of men (+ women?) pay to see their abuse. What will you do about these victims if the Trump cabal collapses and decency (of a sort) comes back in vogue? Sorry for the rant.
If they do, you might see congressman, and Senators start discussing impeachment and conviction to remove Trump from office due to withholding evidence from Congress. The efforts may not succeed, but they will certainly raise the temperature of discussions and make a life more uncomfortable for him.
Even if the files were to exonerate Trump, he would never willingly release them. We already know that they undoubtedly implicate a wide array of the rich and powerful. These are the very people with whom (IMHO) Trump made the biggest deal of his life. After losing in '20 and failing to steal the election back, he knew he probably faced jail time on several fronts. So he went to his billionaire buddies and told them if they got him elected, he would do whatever they want. He won't turn on them now.
True, it's a leaky dike. That's undoubtedly why he's in such a panic. But he'll still hold it up as best he can. The question is whether he can call in enough favors to do that. Smart money is on no, and he realizes that.
Which is why I think he's particularly dangerous now. War with Venezuela? Attacking Mexico? I'm wondering how that book about Melania that Bezos is funding is doing?
You are brilliant!! And well-read!! Many of these men would likely plead the fifth, or be less than forthcoming. Can you imagine Alan Dershowitz ever confessing to anything?
Little Mikie "Bible Thumper" Johnson is a wolf in sheep's clothing and a compliant puppet of the orange-faced madman who controls him. Long ago, he sold his soul to the devil and is a modern-day Judas Iscariot and a CINO: Christian In Name Only.
Thank you for the list of questions. I have another question: Although Epstein's brother Mark has repeatedly noted that the two pathologists who conducted the Epstein autopsy stated the results were not consistent with suicide there has never been an investigation. Why?
Notice it’s always Christian Republicans we hear about, never Jews, atheists, Muslims, drag queens, etc.! I wish people would quit quoting Jesus as a reason to be moral or a good person. Just do it because it’s the right thing to do, not because someone else told you to do it!!!
Ummm, I think part of that phenomenon is that it is an article of faith, (e.g. Freedom of Religion) in many parts of Christianity, that only Christians are able to be good and moral. Many people deeply believe that it's the belief in Jesus, itself, that constitutes goodness and morality. Rather than that they should ACT as Jesus did to make themselves better people. In fact, an interesting intra-religion split that the people engaging in it may not recognize? Some Christians believe that their belief in Jesus IS the only moral act they need to ever perform. Others consider themselves equally Christian, but somehow believe there is still an expectation that they live lives governed by moral precepts set down by (a) the whole "Bible" or (b) the teachings of Jesus, or mostly the New Testament. So they are going, "How does Mike Johnson call himself a Christian when he does and says such horrific stuff?" Whereas Mike is fine with all of it because he *believes* and that's all it takes...
Thank you. And what a massive coverup it is turning out to be!
As you've said before, it's a coverup of deeply harmful, long-lasting and far-reaching crimes against humanity that wreck and destroy valuable human beings--people, who are loved and worth so much.
I think the light needs to be shining even further into the oligarchical society that we have somehow let grow and prosper at our expense. Their members have a totally different set of rules to live by than the rules and laws we 99%ers must follow. A crime is a crime and the perpetrator must be punished, no matter how big his bank account is.
Has anyone surfaced the thought that Trump changed his mind because he knows the evidence has been “cleaned up”‘to his benefit? How can we know for sure that it hasn’t? I can’t believe I’m turning into a conspiracy theorist!!!!
The delay between "the list is on my desk" (Bondi), to the equivalent of "nothing to see here", and then the recent release of emails can't help to raise the question of sanitization and evidence tampering.
Precisely what I've been thinking. In normal times you might be turning into a conspiracy theorist, but now it's just a recognition of the state of things in Trumpworld.
Fortunately, there are multiple sources for the same documents, so if Trump‘s DOJ has altered anything, the alterations will show, and they will be exposed.
It’s not paranoia if they really are out to get you.
I've thought about that for a while now, and if they could easily and fully "sanitize" them we would have seen them released a long time ago. I'm not sure what exactly we are going to see if they should be released, but my greater fear right now is that the DOJ will block their release citing "active investigations" and the Supreme Court will support them so we will get nothing.
We assume the first round of votes say “yes release all materials”. Trump declines to sign it because, ongoing investigations. Congress has a second round of veto override votes, which pass because who the hell in Congress is gonna be on the wrong side of that vote.
Trump again says no will do, ongoing investigations, congress then initiates impeachment proceedings for the crime of withholding documents from Congress based on a bogus, unnecessary “investigations “.
In 11 months time, tRump has corrupted and transformed the DOJ into a caricature of former Justice Departments. It is now totally subservient to the whims and fears of the Orange Toddler in Chief. How can anyone have faith in the fair disposition of Justice when we have corrupt Lawyers willing to sacrifice their own careers to keep their boss - the enfant terrible - happy. Just read the ruling by the Magistrate Judge in the Comey prosecution from yesterday. I believe we have found the next lawyer who will be disbarred for their loyalty to tRump. May we see many more!
Good comment, but could you refrain from capitalizing the "r" in the name of the worst president in US history? The derriere is a body part that is celebrated in sculpture, paintings, and photography and that is beloved by many of both genders on the gender to which they are romantically attracted.
It also played an important role in human evolutionary history, evolving so that early H. sapiens and likely their antecedents, both male and female, could pursue prey animals for many miles, along with the evolution of the nuchal ligament, body hairlessness, and various other adaptations that enabled running for many miles. Daniel Lieberman of Harvard has written extensively about this.
Where I grew up calling someone a 'Rump' was derogatory, and since I refuse to type his name correctly, it stays. I appreciate your sentiment, but we must all make our accommodations to having such a vile creature loose in the Whitehouse.
Stephen, you could get a much higher derogatory quotient by calling him Turpitude, or maybe Trumpitude, or maybe Moral Trumpitude. In fact, I'm tempted to start referring to him as Moral Trumpitude. From the Merriam Webster online dictionary:
"The word is often heard in the phrase "moral turpitude," an expression used in law to designate an act or behavior that gravely violates the sentiment or accepted standard of the community. A criminal offense that involves moral turpitude is considered wrong or evil by moral standards, in addition to being the violation of a statute."
But if this doesn't work for you, I won't argue further. I am curious, however, to know where you grew up. I love American geography, and the words people use and the way people speak is part of that. So I would love to know where "Rump" is derogatory. (My love of US geography comes from having been on three x-country road trips at ages 4, 7, and 8, and then figuring out at age 10 that I could ride a bicycle across the country within the timespan of a summer vacation, something I did after graduating from college.)
When Trump could no longer get loans elsewhere Putin/Russia lent money. Epstein brokered children to rape for the rich and powerful people globally. I wouldn't be surprised if Putin wasn't paying Epstein to sell him blackmail-able info on Trump for further leverage.
They released the video around Epstein's jail cell, showing nothing much happening, but there was a curious gap in the tape that was never explained. The missing footage was enough for a quick murder, staged to look like a suicide, but it was never adequately explained. And the spotlight moved on. But it's highly unlikely that someone that arrogant, with so many powerful friends in high places, would kill himself.
But someone with a pile of money could find a way to engineer a 'suicide.' And who has that much money? Putin. Trump. And that was even before he began begging for sympathy donations and filing all those billion-dollar lawsuits. (I refer to his personal litigation, who knows what's happening with his presidential litigation and where those tens of millions of dollars go.) Just another reason we shouldn't tolerate a system which allows some to amass billions of dollars while others depend on very inadequate food stamps.
Nobody who knew Epstein believes that he killed himself and the video only showed outside the cell. The missing minute is plenty of time for a hit team to walk through the hall area and into the cell. They didn't have to hang him in that time. Nixon's break in looks quaint compared to what this bunch has been up to.
Aaah... but it seems the American public is so saturated with horror that they kind of let that slide, along with the rest of his outrages, which just keep on coming. There is a point beyond which people essentially tune out when they are required to be angry too long.
As you no doubt know, the Russians have used poison on victims living in Britain, injected very quickly, and it's sometimes taken the Brits a long time to detect the cause of death. Epstein's convenient suicide took place amidst a tangled web of problems at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in NYC. The whole investigation was handled, with few exceptions, by the federal government--which at the time was part of the Administration of you-know-who.
If you're saying he was only in jail on a thirteen-month sentence, this isn't so. He was awaiting trial on federal sex-trafficking charges. He faced a sentence of 45 years.
Trump would not go to these lengths to protect anyone else - not other Republicans, not wealthy donors, not friends. He would only go this far to protect himself. And given his comfort with scandal and corruption, whatever is in those files must be damaging indeed. So the question: what evidence of Trump’s crimes are in the files?
More to the question is what evidence of Trump's crimes have been excised from the files? The delayed release could (and likely did) allow for a vacuum-cleaner like sanitation of the evidence.
Fortunately, there are multiple sources for the same documents, so if Trump‘s DOJ has altered anything, the alterations will show, and they will be exposed.
That, of course, is if a fully competent investigation takes place. Note the qualifiying words fully and competent. With this bunch in charge, not much in this line is expected.
If the Democrats release documents from alternate sources, say the Epstein estate, etc., then journalists and other interested parties will be able to compare the DOJ released files with the other released files and see what’s what.
It’s certainly a cover up now, but when we step back and take a panoramic view of Epstein’s entire career, his hundreds(thousands?) of victims over years, all of the men and women who participated in his predations, the crime cannot be reduced to a “cover up,” nor should our focus be trained solely on the current president. Perhaps I’m too deep into HCR, but it seems more and more like there’s a slave holding class, right in front of us, with a strong sense of impunity.
“Follow the money.” Beyond the horrible act of sex crimes against children, this is one point that mystifies me…the money. Huge sums were being moved around. Financial institutions that should have, and probably did, notice something was amiss, did not report the discrepancies. Perhaps more than billions were moving around internationally. Once we have vindicated the survivors in this horrible abuse, we must focus on the money.
Follow the money. Much of Epstein's power came from his seemingly limitless financial resources. Trump was best buddies with Epstein for years - was the money the reason?
It's not just horrific child abuse. Russia has compromat on Trump and he has been their pawn for decades. That is what he is trying desperately to hide. No proof yet, but I am near certain Epstein's death was NOT suicide. And the current administration (regime) will never release the files. Our only hope is a whistle blower.
Of course he is filthy. Anyone remember the Access Hollywood video? Apparently not. Anyone remember his own words? Anyone remember Stormy Daniels? It doesn't matter. The MAGA Cult voted for him then. He incited and insurrection. They still voted for him and they still worship him. He was and still is a Scum Bucket. Nothing has changed.
You beat me to it. Thank you for including her. How many appeals will Trump file before the funds (held in a court controlled escrow account) before she receives the paynment that she was awarded?
One wonders just how widespread this - into the deepest halls of government - not rank and file, but the bigwigs advising the government these last 25 years (Summers being just one). And if legacy media won't cover it - why? Are they involved? Big names in the financial institutions. And certainly, the billionaire class. These people work both sides of the aisle. This is not a right vs left/republican vs democrat scandal. It is a scandal that is far-reaching and awful. My undaunted heroes are the women who continue to stand up and continue to push to be heard despite what must be enormous pressure and I suspect, the simple wish to get on with their lives.
Bigger than a pedo ring in a pizza parlor for sure. Not trying to belittle the severity of child sexual abuse or trump/Republican cover-up. But I’m reminded how frequently their accusations are admissions.
You missed one question. Probably not in these files, but worth asking. “Mr President, did you order a hit on Jeffrey Epstein?”
We know he's capable of murder, evidenced by the multiple hits on Venezulan fishermen, as yet unpunished.
Also, was there a hit on Virginia Giuffre?
I believe that everyone, including her family, agrees she committed suiside.
Poor troubled soul
I believe her life was troubled long before Epstein, and her husband was, evidently, an abusive man.
When a person is surrounded by threats and abusers, those who make the threats and commit the abuse are implicated in a resulting suicide...even if they go unpunished.
My comment was meant only to support her family's belief that she did commit suicide and don't seem to see foul play at work in her death. I don't disagree that her past abusers bear responsibility for her suicide.
I understood it that way...just doin' what I ALWAYS do...tryin' to get my 2 bits in. I didn't mean to sound disapproving.
::)) Thanks for the clarification.
Wasn’t her father abusive, not her husband?
Very sad and horrific
Evidently her father abused her sexually. Her husband abused her physically but it hasn't been alleged that he abused her sexually.
It's certainly a question worth asking! Is it a question for which we will ever get a valid answer? Doubtful! The cover up goes on, just in new and expanding directions every day!
Uh, duh…
Why doesn’t Trump immediately order Bondi to make the documents public?
Prosecutors like Maureen Comey have seen the files and can testify to what they saw.
Senator Ron Wyden has repeatedly sought to have the full Jeffrey Epstein financial files released by the U.S. Treasury Department, but has been unable to issue a subpoena for the records through the Senate Finance Committee due to a lack of bipartisan support. He has instead introduced a bill to compel their release.
Epstein is dead. Attorney client privilege died with him. The following had files and their Epstein files should be subpoenaed.
Roy Black: A prominent Miami defense attorney who was part of the legal team that negotiated the controversial 2008 non-prosecution agreement (NPA) in Florida, which allowed Epstein to avoid federal charges by pleading guilty to lesser state offenses. Black died in July 2025.
Alan Dershowitz: A Harvard Law School professor and well-known defense attorney who joined Epstein's legal team around 2005 and played a significant role in negotiating the NPA. Dershowitz has consistently denied accusations made by one of Epstein's victims that she was forced to have sex with him.
Kenneth Starr: A former independent counsel, Starr was a partner and later counsel at Kirkland & Ellis and was involved in Epstein's legal representation during the time of the 2008 plea deal.
Jay Lefkowitz: A longtime partner at Kirkland & Ellis, Lefkowitz was one of Epstein's defense attorneys in the 2007 case and met with then-U.S. Attorney Alexander Acosta to discuss the plea deal.
Darren Indyke and Richard Kahn: These individuals served as Epstein's longtime personal attorney and accountant, respectively, and were named as executors of his will. They have been sued by victims who claim they helped build the financial infrastructure that enabled Epstein's abuses.
Martin Weinberg and Marc Allan Fernich: These attorneys represented Epstein in the 2019 federal sex trafficking case in New York.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRuSO_bKQrc
This victim is apparently the same person that Michael Cohen was sent by Trump to find. Tara Palmeri's reporting focuses on a "Jane Doe" lawsuit from 2016 which alleged that Trump raped a 13-year-old girl at Epstein's Manhattan townhouse in the 1990s. The lawsuit was dropped days before the election.
Cohen's Admission: In interviews with Palmeri, Michael Cohen admitted that he dispatched a private investigator to track down the anonymous plaintiff in that case. He explained his attempts to locate the woman and what his investigator found.
Silence from Media: Palmeri has highlighted her frustration that this admission has largely been ignored by mainstream media outlets, a point she discussed on The Young Turks. Podcast Episodes: The interviews and discussions are featured on "The Tara Palmeri Show."
Regarding the 13 year old rape victim, read the 7/25/25 Substack post of Kate Manne (More to Hate) who teaches philosophy at Cornell. Knowing what we have learned since about the Epstein/Maxwell operation, the 2016 testimony is credible.
I suggest there was also silence from Joe Biden and the Democrats! By leaving this out of the discussion, we are complicit in the cover-up. Can we claim a moral stepladder to resolution when we are allowing "our" side a free pass?
There were legal issues due to Maxwell’s case at that time. The DOJ could not interfere publicly while her case was ongoing.
See, this was the way it used to be long, long ago. "The DOJ could not [legally] interfere publicly while her case was ongoing." That was back when one thing lawyers were supposed to do was obey laws.
Biden was passive -- and his DOJ was asleep at the switch.
But only the perps bear the blame. The coverup was initiated by Acosta.
Passivity when addressing pedophiles or any other criminal issue is still considered criminal! Are you suggesting that being "passive" when governing is acceptable, and if so, why is Trump's passivity unacceptable? Where is the high ground here, and how can we be so adamant that a man like Trump, because of his inherent disregard for the law and all other issues, except himself, is the ultimate villain here, just because of his character?
I am sorry, but this cannot hold true! Biden's and the Democratic Party's withholding the material, regardless of the excuse of somnolence, places them as complicit as Trump! This is why we are facing the authoritarian State today> Democrats have NOT been honest with the country or themselves when they have had control of the White House!
By allowing this issue to be openly and completely expressed, we are behaving exactly like Trump and the Republicans! This allows for those in Congress, like Schumer and the 8 traitors to democracy, to maintain control! We need to change, and we need to begin to address the issues, not just the politics, or we will never get our democracy back!
Biden personally did not involve himelf in ANY prosecution....excerpt his son's. The gripe I have is that Garland was a dud.
Garland was indeed a dud. A total dud. I so wish Biden had let him go and found someone who could have used the Office to good effect. If that had happened, Trump would no longer be a problem.
Perhaps you don’t know how COMMON it is for underage girls (and evidently boys) to be molested and/or raped (frequently) by family members, care home personnel, school personnel, sports and other physicians, clergy (along with their absolution for parishioners’ sins), Boy Scout leaders, cops, and neighbors. I met a woman molested at home since she was a toddler and raped weekly by her father and his brother after she hit the 11 year mark. The Epstein-Bannon-Trump +++ scandal is generating a high level of hysterical attention and lots of finger pointing because the villains happen to be depraved as well as rich and well-connected. You don’t think vulnerable children across the USA and the rest of the world are in daily jeopardy? Check out the porn sites. Few people step up to protect these children—but a whole lot of men (+ women?) pay to see their abuse. What will you do about these victims if the Trump cabal collapses and decency (of a sort) comes back in vogue? Sorry for the rant.
There could even be more Democrats than Republicans named in the files. They should all be exposed.
My bet, trump is waiting for bondi to start investigations into Dems so Justice can use 'ongoing investigations' to block release.
If they do, you might see congressman, and Senators start discussing impeachment and conviction to remove Trump from office due to withholding evidence from Congress. The efforts may not succeed, but they will certainly raise the temperature of discussions and make a life more uncomfortable for him.
One of my hopeful dreams is that Congress grow spines!
And AG at the time, Bill Barr. What was his role in this?
Wasn’t it Barr’s father who got Epstein a teaching job at a girls school?
Indeed. Dalton.
The school was co-ed then.
Even if the files were to exonerate Trump, he would never willingly release them. We already know that they undoubtedly implicate a wide array of the rich and powerful. These are the very people with whom (IMHO) Trump made the biggest deal of his life. After losing in '20 and failing to steal the election back, he knew he probably faced jail time on several fronts. So he went to his billionaire buddies and told them if they got him elected, he would do whatever they want. He won't turn on them now.
DOJ is not the only source of the files. See above.
True, it's a leaky dike. That's undoubtedly why he's in such a panic. But he'll still hold it up as best he can. The question is whether he can call in enough favors to do that. Smart money is on no, and he realizes that.
Which is why I think he's particularly dangerous now. War with Venezuela? Attacking Mexico? I'm wondering how that book about Melania that Bezos is funding is doing?
Very true. Don't you wish that when they wanted to say, "Oh, look! Squirrel!", they actually meant a small, furry quadruped?
You are brilliant!! And well-read!! Many of these men would likely plead the fifth, or be less than forthcoming. Can you imagine Alan Dershowitz ever confessing to anything?
Dershowitz has certainly defended a lot of scummy clients. And some of that scumminess seems to have rubbed off on him.
Mike Johnson, a self-proclaimed devout Christian, shut down the US government to protect participants in this infamous pedophile ring.
Little Mikie "Bible Thumper" Johnson is a wolf in sheep's clothing and a compliant puppet of the orange-faced madman who controls him. Long ago, he sold his soul to the devil and is a modern-day Judas Iscariot and a CINO: Christian In Name Only.
CINO Love it! Deserves widespread use.
As in See No/CINO evil
David, CINO just popped into my head in an instant. I'm kinda proud of it and glad you love it.
how many christian ministers have been found to be perverts ? MANY
He believes that Trump was chosen by God. Perhaps, after his death, he will be shocked to learn that he has been worshipping the wrong god.
Thank you for the list of questions. I have another question: Although Epstein's brother Mark has repeatedly noted that the two pathologists who conducted the Epstein autopsy stated the results were not consistent with suicide there has never been an investigation. Why?
Notice it’s always Christian Republicans we hear about, never Jews, atheists, Muslims, drag queens, etc.! I wish people would quit quoting Jesus as a reason to be moral or a good person. Just do it because it’s the right thing to do, not because someone else told you to do it!!!
Although Christian Nationalists sometimes use his name, they never quote Jesus. They quote from the Old Testament.
Ummm, I think part of that phenomenon is that it is an article of faith, (e.g. Freedom of Religion) in many parts of Christianity, that only Christians are able to be good and moral. Many people deeply believe that it's the belief in Jesus, itself, that constitutes goodness and morality. Rather than that they should ACT as Jesus did to make themselves better people. In fact, an interesting intra-religion split that the people engaging in it may not recognize? Some Christians believe that their belief in Jesus IS the only moral act they need to ever perform. Others consider themselves equally Christian, but somehow believe there is still an expectation that they live lives governed by moral precepts set down by (a) the whole "Bible" or (b) the teachings of Jesus, or mostly the New Testament. So they are going, "How does Mike Johnson call himself a Christian when he does and says such horrific stuff?" Whereas Mike is fine with all of it because he *believes* and that's all it takes...
Thank you. And what a massive coverup it is turning out to be!
As you've said before, it's a coverup of deeply harmful, long-lasting and far-reaching crimes against humanity that wreck and destroy valuable human beings--people, who are loved and worth so much.
That's why shining a light on this matters.
I think the light needs to be shining even further into the oligarchical society that we have somehow let grow and prosper at our expense. Their members have a totally different set of rules to live by than the rules and laws we 99%ers must follow. A crime is a crime and the perpetrator must be punished, no matter how big his bank account is.
Has anyone surfaced the thought that Trump changed his mind because he knows the evidence has been “cleaned up”‘to his benefit? How can we know for sure that it hasn’t? I can’t believe I’m turning into a conspiracy theorist!!!!
The delay between "the list is on my desk" (Bondi), to the equivalent of "nothing to see here", and then the recent release of emails can't help to raise the question of sanitization and evidence tampering.
Precisely what I've been thinking. In normal times you might be turning into a conspiracy theorist, but now it's just a recognition of the state of things in Trumpworld.
Fortunately, there are multiple sources for the same documents, so if Trump‘s DOJ has altered anything, the alterations will show, and they will be exposed.
It’s not paranoia if they really are out to get you.
Probably you’re turning that way because it’s not a conspiracy theory anymore, it’s reality!
I've thought about that for a while now, and if they could easily and fully "sanitize" them we would have seen them released a long time ago. I'm not sure what exactly we are going to see if they should be released, but my greater fear right now is that the DOJ will block their release citing "active investigations" and the Supreme Court will support them so we will get nothing.
We assume the first round of votes say “yes release all materials”. Trump declines to sign it because, ongoing investigations. Congress has a second round of veto override votes, which pass because who the hell in Congress is gonna be on the wrong side of that vote.
Trump again says no will do, ongoing investigations, congress then initiates impeachment proceedings for the crime of withholding documents from Congress based on a bogus, unnecessary “investigations “.
In 11 months time, tRump has corrupted and transformed the DOJ into a caricature of former Justice Departments. It is now totally subservient to the whims and fears of the Orange Toddler in Chief. How can anyone have faith in the fair disposition of Justice when we have corrupt Lawyers willing to sacrifice their own careers to keep their boss - the enfant terrible - happy. Just read the ruling by the Magistrate Judge in the Comey prosecution from yesterday. I believe we have found the next lawyer who will be disbarred for their loyalty to tRump. May we see many more!
MAGA: Make Attorneys Get Attorneys.
Good comment, but could you refrain from capitalizing the "r" in the name of the worst president in US history? The derriere is a body part that is celebrated in sculpture, paintings, and photography and that is beloved by many of both genders on the gender to which they are romantically attracted.
It also played an important role in human evolutionary history, evolving so that early H. sapiens and likely their antecedents, both male and female, could pursue prey animals for many miles, along with the evolution of the nuchal ligament, body hairlessness, and various other adaptations that enabled running for many miles. Daniel Lieberman of Harvard has written extensively about this.
Where I grew up calling someone a 'Rump' was derogatory, and since I refuse to type his name correctly, it stays. I appreciate your sentiment, but we must all make our accommodations to having such a vile creature loose in the Whitehouse.
Stephen, you could get a much higher derogatory quotient by calling him Turpitude, or maybe Trumpitude, or maybe Moral Trumpitude. In fact, I'm tempted to start referring to him as Moral Trumpitude. From the Merriam Webster online dictionary:
"The word is often heard in the phrase "moral turpitude," an expression used in law to designate an act or behavior that gravely violates the sentiment or accepted standard of the community. A criminal offense that involves moral turpitude is considered wrong or evil by moral standards, in addition to being the violation of a statute."
But if this doesn't work for you, I won't argue further. I am curious, however, to know where you grew up. I love American geography, and the words people use and the way people speak is part of that. So I would love to know where "Rump" is derogatory. (My love of US geography comes from having been on three x-country road trips at ages 4, 7, and 8, and then figuring out at age 10 that I could ride a bicycle across the country within the timespan of a summer vacation, something I did after graduating from college.)
There are many names to use, such as Agolph Shitler.
Another question: what is the connection between Epstein, Trump and Putin?
When Trump could no longer get loans elsewhere Putin/Russia lent money. Epstein brokered children to rape for the rich and powerful people globally. I wouldn't be surprised if Putin wasn't paying Epstein to sell him blackmail-able info on Trump for further leverage.
Yes, that’s out there too! But not explored.
They released the video around Epstein's jail cell, showing nothing much happening, but there was a curious gap in the tape that was never explained. The missing footage was enough for a quick murder, staged to look like a suicide, but it was never adequately explained. And the spotlight moved on. But it's highly unlikely that someone that arrogant, with so many powerful friends in high places, would kill himself.
But someone with a pile of money could find a way to engineer a 'suicide.' And who has that much money? Putin. Trump. And that was even before he began begging for sympathy donations and filing all those billion-dollar lawsuits. (I refer to his personal litigation, who knows what's happening with his presidential litigation and where those tens of millions of dollars go.) Just another reason we shouldn't tolerate a system which allows some to amass billions of dollars while others depend on very inadequate food stamps.
I agree with your full comment here Donna.
Nobody who knew Epstein believes that he killed himself and the video only showed outside the cell. The missing minute is plenty of time for a hit team to walk through the hall area and into the cell. They didn't have to hang him in that time. Nixon's break in looks quaint compared to what this bunch has been up to.
Aaah... but it seems the American public is so saturated with horror that they kind of let that slide, along with the rest of his outrages, which just keep on coming. There is a point beyond which people essentially tune out when they are required to be angry too long.
As you no doubt know, the Russians have used poison on victims living in Britain, injected very quickly, and it's sometimes taken the Brits a long time to detect the cause of death. Epstein's convenient suicide took place amidst a tangled web of problems at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in NYC. The whole investigation was handled, with few exceptions, by the federal government--which at the time was part of the Administration of you-know-who.
Yes, and with only a 13 month sentence.
If you're saying he was only in jail on a thirteen-month sentence, this isn't so. He was awaiting trial on federal sex-trafficking charges. He faced a sentence of 45 years.
Trump would not go to these lengths to protect anyone else - not other Republicans, not wealthy donors, not friends. He would only go this far to protect himself. And given his comfort with scandal and corruption, whatever is in those files must be damaging indeed. So the question: what evidence of Trump’s crimes are in the files?
More to the question is what evidence of Trump's crimes have been excised from the files? The delayed release could (and likely did) allow for a vacuum-cleaner like sanitation of the evidence.
Fortunately, there are multiple sources for the same documents, so if Trump‘s DOJ has altered anything, the alterations will show, and they will be exposed.
That, of course, is if a fully competent investigation takes place. Note the qualifiying words fully and competent. With this bunch in charge, not much in this line is expected.
If the Democrats release documents from alternate sources, say the Epstein estate, etc., then journalists and other interested parties will be able to compare the DOJ released files with the other released files and see what’s what.
It’s certainly a cover up now, but when we step back and take a panoramic view of Epstein’s entire career, his hundreds(thousands?) of victims over years, all of the men and women who participated in his predations, the crime cannot be reduced to a “cover up,” nor should our focus be trained solely on the current president. Perhaps I’m too deep into HCR, but it seems more and more like there’s a slave holding class, right in front of us, with a strong sense of impunity.
“Follow the money.” Beyond the horrible act of sex crimes against children, this is one point that mystifies me…the money. Huge sums were being moved around. Financial institutions that should have, and probably did, notice something was amiss, did not report the discrepancies. Perhaps more than billions were moving around internationally. Once we have vindicated the survivors in this horrible abuse, we must focus on the money.
Follow the money. Much of Epstein's power came from his seemingly limitless financial resources. Trump was best buddies with Epstein for years - was the money the reason?
Wyden is on it.
Money, power, and sex
Did he get the money as payments from participants or blackmail?
It's not just horrific child abuse. Russia has compromat on Trump and he has been their pawn for decades. That is what he is trying desperately to hide. No proof yet, but I am near certain Epstein's death was NOT suicide. And the current administration (regime) will never release the files. Our only hope is a whistle blower.
Of course he is filthy. Anyone remember the Access Hollywood video? Apparently not. Anyone remember his own words? Anyone remember Stormy Daniels? It doesn't matter. The MAGA Cult voted for him then. He incited and insurrection. They still voted for him and they still worship him. He was and still is a Scum Bucket. Nothing has changed.
Don't forget E. Jean Carroll. She had the courage to sue him, in the process putting herself on trial. She won. We all did.
You beat me to it. Thank you for including her. How many appeals will Trump file before the funds (held in a court controlled escrow account) before she receives the paynment that she was awarded?
He's a snake and will drag this out as long as he can. His greed is matched only by his desire to cause pain to anyone who defeats him.
Absolutely true Donna. Thank you.
There's plenty of evidence of that!
One wonders just how widespread this - into the deepest halls of government - not rank and file, but the bigwigs advising the government these last 25 years (Summers being just one). And if legacy media won't cover it - why? Are they involved? Big names in the financial institutions. And certainly, the billionaire class. These people work both sides of the aisle. This is not a right vs left/republican vs democrat scandal. It is a scandal that is far-reaching and awful. My undaunted heroes are the women who continue to stand up and continue to push to be heard despite what must be enormous pressure and I suspect, the simple wish to get on with their lives.
It may turn out to be the biggest scandal in American history.
Bigger than a pedo ring in a pizza parlor for sure. Not trying to belittle the severity of child sexual abuse or trump/Republican cover-up. But I’m reminded how frequently their accusations are admissions.