Thank you, Ms Huerta. For some of us our abusers were not iconic, just soulless males. I am sorry you have carried this pain in silence for so long. I stand with you. ❤️
I am so grateful for Dolores Huerta that she did not have to take the secret of the abuse to her grave. By speaking out, she supported the other women who have come forward.
It is never good to idolize a particular figure in a movement. Instead, we need to honor the collective endeavor.
Popular history likes the easy story of one great man who becomes the face of a movement or era, but movements take so much hard work and sacrifice from many people.
How tragic is it that this revelation doesn't really feel that shocking? That men exercise their power to exploit and abuse. When can our societies finally have enough members socialized to immediately condemn and denounce such behavior openly and swiftly? It feels like a gut punch that throws his back decades.
Most, in my limited experience of 80+ years & as an LCSW, is that most abusers were abused themselves as children. So they think it’s okay and are full of shame & anger…This is not an excuse, but an explanation
I think misogyny operates in different ways across many, many current societies, Bobbette.
Rape is a power trip. And definitely, not every man who rapes women or men experienced abuse.
Think of warfare. It is so common for widespread rapes by soldiers to be used as a weapon of war. Did all those soldiers experience abuse? I doubt it. Rape is a power trip.
Thank you for this! Absolutely heartbreaking for Dolores Huerta -- carrying two babies and having to give them up in addition to working alongside a man who caused her such devastating trauma is beyond comprehension!
So let's just stop for a moment and look about us. Donald Trump has plastered his name and image all over Washington DC and elsewhere. He was actually tried and convicted for his crimes yet he continues to deface the Capitol and hold office. We (all of us) have given him permission by our inaction. There is not one good thing he has done.
Now let's look at Chavez. It hurts me terribly to hear what people are saying. I worked with the man as a college student with my husband so I am devastated. But he has not been convicted of his actions (I am not saying he didn't do what people have said) but he has been convicted in the court of the people because what we have all heard disgusts. Yet his legacy will pay a terrible price no matter what good he did for farm workers.
George Washington was a slaver but there are still many things named after him. Andrew Jackson murdered thousands of Native Americans and his picture is on our money. I'm seeing a pattern here. Latino...White...White...and there are many more.
Does the sin that Cezar Chavez committed wipe out all the good of his legacy? Does this mean that those we venerate must be pure and sinless? The GOP and Stephen Miller are loving this right now. It fits nicely into their world view of Latinos. Their knowledge of Latino defective blood.
We cannot wipe Cezar from history but we can step back and stop looking at him like a hero and instead see that he is just a man and a flawed one at that.
Agree, Mimi. There's nothing set in stone (pun intended) about venerating the likes of Andrew Jackson, mass killer of indigenous people. Let's teach children and others the truth. How will we ever rid our society, ourselves, of racism, sexism and imperialism if we don't confront the whole of history, not just the heroic or uplifting parts. We need to stop lying about our past. We need to learn from it. There's a reason southern states finally stopped flying the Confederate flag. It took people with a commitment to the truth to make that happen. Sí se puede!
Add Dolores Huerta’s name and the importance of her work for farm rights and personal sacrifice for the movement wherever we can and be open about the fact that Chavez had failings. I suspect that countless monuments to “heroes” throughout the millennia would have to be re-evaluated if we knew of their private behaviors. I don’t propose going back into history to do it right now, but suggest that we put our energies and money and time and commitments into the present and the future—in organizational structure, in changing cultural “norms' and what is acceptable vis a vis how we culturally define manhood, and the bringing up of our young boys to be solid in their morality and their behavior and in their values towards not only women but entitlement, power structures and their responsibilities to society and to their fellow human beings. And focusing on the present and future not to discount the immense sacrifice of Dolores Huerta and others that suffered, but because we need to truly work on the present to counter the unconscionable acceptance of wrongdoing of those in office TODAY (Trump and those supporting you in your administration, are you listening…) and actively support the future generation which has been so tossed and turned in the last 10 years—these are the young people who will be guiding the future. Focus on Epstein and his global empire of influence, concentrate on voting all who are silent in the face of the destruction of our country OUT of office from the top to the bottom, concentrate on giving support to our Latino/a immigrants of today in their fight against ICE, add your voice to those denouncing the destruction of the illegal Iran ‘war’ and the abandonment of Ukraine and the corruption which allows this at the international level etc. Acknowledge the wrongdoing of Chavez yet focus laser like on Trump, Iran, Miller, Congress etc. The people fighting for the USA have so little time/money to thwart the Heritage Society’s goals—focus our anger and work for change.
I agree. At this time in history, this only hurts the movement which is now under new fire from Trump and his cronies. What Chavez did was despicable, but waiting until you are in your nineties to expose this, and saying that you kept silent to protect the movement then, does not make any sense to me. We cant just start erasing history because of human behavior.
The Culture of Victim Silence can and should change. It will often be uncomfortable, messy, and complicated. We The People have the courage and fortitude to see it through.
OK, let's call absolute bullshit on this take. First, it was 60 years ago, and women *were* expected to take that kind of secret to their grave then. Second, she had two children whom she gave up, and it would have devastated their lives. Third, she, who was just as responsible as he was for UFW's accomplishments, would have been drummed out of the movement that she co-founded, and nothing would have happened to him, because 60 years ago we didn't hold anyone accountable. Hell, a little over 10 years ago we didn't hold people accountable. Why do you think #MeToo happened. Fourth, the legal system wouldn't have held him accountable then or now, so what advantage was there to report it? Fifth, most women only come forward when they know there were others, that it wasn't just them and something that they might have done wrong. Huerta only now knows there were others.
I could go to 50, but I won't. It only hurts the movement if we let it, if we don't stand behind Dolores Huerta and Ana Murgia and Debra Rojas, and blame them for doing what most sexual assault survivors do, and don't hold all the other despicable people accountable. All of them.
Rape was reported by women in the 60's, by those who chose to expose criminal behavior directed towards women. You make a choice, when you do this and it is often a very hard one, but to not report this is allowing predators to continue to prey on women. I had a friend who was assaulted in college and did report this. It never came to trial because it was a he-said - she said issue, and could not be proved. However, the college did believe her and changed security procedures after that. She suffered no repercussions as to her college career and never regretted that she had reported this. She said not saying anything would have destroyed her. That is my problem with the ME-Too movement, as many choose not to report this type of thing for career reasons. There are many women who do stand up to a potential abuser in the workplace, and I am one of them. I was not bothered again by this man and he was placed on probation and eventually fired. That was in the seventies. That is an individual choice that each woman must make. Trying to hold a dead man ( Cesaer died in 1993) accountable seems pointless to me.
Yes, it is an individual choice that each woman must make. Which is why I am wondering why you think every woman has to make the choice you did.
Perhaps you didn't understand that this was not an effort to hold Cesar Chavez accountable. It was participating in a story that was meticulously researched for five years, with 60 people interviewed.
I vehemently disagree with the rest of what you said, but we are not going to persuade each other, so I won't refute this point by point.
I disagree with everything you are saying. The article itself ended with this line." It is long past time to hold perpetrators accountable, no matter how powerful they may be." Your obvious anger is a deterrent to different viewpoints, and you seem to feel that your take on all of this is the only way to look at it. I agree that you and I will never see this situation in the same way so continuing this conversation is pointless. Maybe someday you will realize that there are many women who, despite the risk, choose to speak out and act, rather than remaining silent. It does not always turn out in a positive way for them, but they are fighting back and reclaiming their dignity and sense of self worth by doing so.
In the latest Ethics in the Public Sphere discussion from the UC San Diego Department of Philosophy, Elizabeth Harman argued that survivors do, in fact, have an obligation to warn others, and sexual assault “wrongs” victims by imposing these obligations on them. Survivors are put into moral relationships with future victims that are unhealthy, burdensome and, as Thurman said, complicated.
“Sexual harassment and sexual assault often wrong their victims in an underappreciated way: they turn their victims into wrongdoers. By failing to warn others, victims wrong them,” Harman outlined in her talk “#MeToo and the Failure to Warn Others” at the Ida and Cecil Green Faculty Club on May 24, the day before Weinstein was arrested on charges of rape and sexual abuse. Harman is Laurance S. Rockefeller Professor of Philosophy and Human Values at Princeton University.
“There is so much at stake for future victims, it is certainly worth trying to protect them,” she said. “Failing to report is usually not justified.”
It is not either/or. We don't have a quota on men we can hold accountable. And why *shouldn't* his legacy pay a terrible price? And anyone else's that we determine has harmed people?
Pure and sinless v. pedophile and rapist is a false equivalency. If you actually believe in the concept of sin, which is a religious one, then you believe that everyone has sinned. But there are degrees of harm and if rape and child molestation aren't near the absolute top, then what is?
Any school or public building that has Has Chavez’ name should be changed to honor Delores Huerta’s contribution towards securing the civil rights of hispanics and other non-white populations
I had the extraordinary good luck to be among the vast Moratorium throng in Golden Gate Park on November 15 1969, who joined Dolores Huerta in reciting those sacred words,
Sí, se puede!
She spoke also of the inclusiveness contained in another phrase of freedom:
Viva la Raza!
And she taught us the great lesson brought North from Chile:
El Pueblo Unido Jamas Sera Vencido!
What is to be done with the beautiful mural at Cesar Chavez Elementary School, showing the children of the Rainbow sitting under a great Valley Oak, absorbing the lessons of their famous teacher?
This is very hard. We do this together. With love to ease the hurt.
Add Dolores to the mural and be open about the fact that Chavez had failings. I suspect that countless monuments to “heroes” throughout the millennia would have to be re-evaluated if we knew of their private behaviors and don’t propose going back into history to do it, but to put our energies and commitments into the present and the future—in organizational structure, in changing cultural “norms' and what is acceptable vis a vis how we culturally define manhood, and the bringing up of our young boys to be solid in their morality and their behavior and in their values towards not only women but entitlement, power structures and their responsibilities to society and to their fellow human beings.
Happily not my problem, I have fled the mountain-deprived purgatory of Davis.
Several years ago a Paiute warrior, knowing my attachment to one of the local Trumpy settler town, challenged me: you know this is one Struggle, with the Patriarchy.
Since I present as a card-carrying member of the Patriarchy, and Trust is essential, it was a righteous and necessary challenge..
Aside from my mother, a banker's daughter who taught respect for picket lines and the table-grape and lettuce boycotts, Dolores Huerta, in her outreach to us in 1969, was my first teacher in critical political economy.
Rape is more than a failing. His work on behalf of farmworker justice is powerful and just. His raping women and girls is despicable with no cultural forgiveness.
Thank you for sharing this important writing. Yes, all the Cesar Chavez streets should be renamed for Dolores. She is the strong one. She is the hero. It is tragic that this has all come to Light, yet I am grateful that it has come to Light in the month that honors womens histories and contributions, and in the larger light of the ongoing Epstein scandal which needs to be fully revealed, as horrible as it is.
In Bakersfield CA, where Dolores lives, she is still coming to protests without fanfare, carrying signs, speaking when asked, and challenging school boards when necessary. She is remarkable and humble.
I find it fascinating how the revelation is being taken as truth and am very glad that Ms Huerta was able to have her say and find her reasons for being quiet very compelling and believable. I can only compare the coming responses of state agencies etc re any commemorative designations of chavez to the continued glorification of traitors to the Union by present day confederates.
Why shouldn't the revelation be taken as truth? If we can't derive truth from five years of reporting, 60 witnesses interviewed, and three women's willingness to publicly identify themselves and tell their story in what is considered the leading U.S. newspaper, what *can* we consider truth?
Do you just have to outlive the devastation you caused and the lives you wrecked? Is that all it takes?
If Chavez were still alive and a lawsuit was permitted, it would be a civil suit. The standard for prevailing in a civil suit is "more likely than not," expressed as 50.00001% or 50% plus a feather. It is not "beyond a reasonable doubt" and he is *not* innocent until proven guilty. Those are criminal justice standards. How could anyone read the Times article and think it is more likely than not that these women were raped and molested?
Sorry, I am not saying it isn't the truth. What I meant was that I hadn't heard any of the expected 'he said she said' bullshit or denier crap that usually accompanies these revelations of sexual assault on women and girls. That was surprising to me...the lack of denial or making excuses.
Thank you, Ms Huerta. For some of us our abusers were not iconic, just soulless males. I am sorry you have carried this pain in silence for so long. I stand with you. ❤️
Thank you for speaking out and for all the very hard work over so many years. When will we hold those in the Epstein files accountable?
I was going to ask that exact question. Believe the women!!!
I am so grateful for Dolores Huerta that she did not have to take the secret of the abuse to her grave. By speaking out, she supported the other women who have come forward.
It is never good to idolize a particular figure in a movement. Instead, we need to honor the collective endeavor.
Popular history likes the easy story of one great man who becomes the face of a movement or era, but movements take so much hard work and sacrifice from many people.
How tragic is it that this revelation doesn't really feel that shocking? That men exercise their power to exploit and abuse. When can our societies finally have enough members socialized to immediately condemn and denounce such behavior openly and swiftly? It feels like a gut punch that throws his back decades.
I don’t believe men exploit & abuse just because they can
I think that some men do exploit and abuse because they can.
Some men abuse because they are raised to believe that their religion elevates them to dominion over women.
Donald Trump has, and would again if he had the chance. He's said so himself.
Most, in my limited experience of 80+ years & as an LCSW, is that most abusers were abused themselves as children. So they think it’s okay and are full of shame & anger…This is not an excuse, but an explanation
I think misogyny operates in different ways across many, many current societies, Bobbette.
Rape is a power trip. And definitely, not every man who rapes women or men experienced abuse.
Think of warfare. It is so common for widespread rapes by soldiers to be used as a weapon of war. Did all those soldiers experience abuse? I doubt it. Rape is a power trip.
Then why DO they do it Bobette?
Why not? How many examples does it take?
Thank you for this! Absolutely heartbreaking for Dolores Huerta -- carrying two babies and having to give them up in addition to working alongside a man who caused her such devastating trauma is beyond comprehension!
hard to imagine, hard to accept. we need as a nation and as individuals to do better, teach better, learn better.
So let's just stop for a moment and look about us. Donald Trump has plastered his name and image all over Washington DC and elsewhere. He was actually tried and convicted for his crimes yet he continues to deface the Capitol and hold office. We (all of us) have given him permission by our inaction. There is not one good thing he has done.
Now let's look at Chavez. It hurts me terribly to hear what people are saying. I worked with the man as a college student with my husband so I am devastated. But he has not been convicted of his actions (I am not saying he didn't do what people have said) but he has been convicted in the court of the people because what we have all heard disgusts. Yet his legacy will pay a terrible price no matter what good he did for farm workers.
George Washington was a slaver but there are still many things named after him. Andrew Jackson murdered thousands of Native Americans and his picture is on our money. I'm seeing a pattern here. Latino...White...White...and there are many more.
Does the sin that Cezar Chavez committed wipe out all the good of his legacy? Does this mean that those we venerate must be pure and sinless? The GOP and Stephen Miller are loving this right now. It fits nicely into their world view of Latinos. Their knowledge of Latino defective blood.
We cannot wipe Cezar from history but we can step back and stop looking at him like a hero and instead see that he is just a man and a flawed one at that.
I would love to see the names and images of each enslaver removed from public places.
Agree, Mimi. There's nothing set in stone (pun intended) about venerating the likes of Andrew Jackson, mass killer of indigenous people. Let's teach children and others the truth. How will we ever rid our society, ourselves, of racism, sexism and imperialism if we don't confront the whole of history, not just the heroic or uplifting parts. We need to stop lying about our past. We need to learn from it. There's a reason southern states finally stopped flying the Confederate flag. It took people with a commitment to the truth to make that happen. Sí se puede!
How does one man, DJT, get away with what he shouldn't and others are held accountable?
Don’t give up. The energy for accountability is growing.
Add Dolores Huerta’s name and the importance of her work for farm rights and personal sacrifice for the movement wherever we can and be open about the fact that Chavez had failings. I suspect that countless monuments to “heroes” throughout the millennia would have to be re-evaluated if we knew of their private behaviors. I don’t propose going back into history to do it right now, but suggest that we put our energies and money and time and commitments into the present and the future—in organizational structure, in changing cultural “norms' and what is acceptable vis a vis how we culturally define manhood, and the bringing up of our young boys to be solid in their morality and their behavior and in their values towards not only women but entitlement, power structures and their responsibilities to society and to their fellow human beings. And focusing on the present and future not to discount the immense sacrifice of Dolores Huerta and others that suffered, but because we need to truly work on the present to counter the unconscionable acceptance of wrongdoing of those in office TODAY (Trump and those supporting you in your administration, are you listening…) and actively support the future generation which has been so tossed and turned in the last 10 years—these are the young people who will be guiding the future. Focus on Epstein and his global empire of influence, concentrate on voting all who are silent in the face of the destruction of our country OUT of office from the top to the bottom, concentrate on giving support to our Latino/a immigrants of today in their fight against ICE, add your voice to those denouncing the destruction of the illegal Iran ‘war’ and the abandonment of Ukraine and the corruption which allows this at the international level etc. Acknowledge the wrongdoing of Chavez yet focus laser like on Trump, Iran, Miller, Congress etc. The people fighting for the USA have so little time/money to thwart the Heritage Society’s goals—focus our anger and work for change.
I agree. At this time in history, this only hurts the movement which is now under new fire from Trump and his cronies. What Chavez did was despicable, but waiting until you are in your nineties to expose this, and saying that you kept silent to protect the movement then, does not make any sense to me. We cant just start erasing history because of human behavior.
The Culture of Victim Silence can and should change. It will often be uncomfortable, messy, and complicated. We The People have the courage and fortitude to see it through.
OK, let's call absolute bullshit on this take. First, it was 60 years ago, and women *were* expected to take that kind of secret to their grave then. Second, she had two children whom she gave up, and it would have devastated their lives. Third, she, who was just as responsible as he was for UFW's accomplishments, would have been drummed out of the movement that she co-founded, and nothing would have happened to him, because 60 years ago we didn't hold anyone accountable. Hell, a little over 10 years ago we didn't hold people accountable. Why do you think #MeToo happened. Fourth, the legal system wouldn't have held him accountable then or now, so what advantage was there to report it? Fifth, most women only come forward when they know there were others, that it wasn't just them and something that they might have done wrong. Huerta only now knows there were others.
I could go to 50, but I won't. It only hurts the movement if we let it, if we don't stand behind Dolores Huerta and Ana Murgia and Debra Rojas, and blame them for doing what most sexual assault survivors do, and don't hold all the other despicable people accountable. All of them.
Rape was reported by women in the 60's, by those who chose to expose criminal behavior directed towards women. You make a choice, when you do this and it is often a very hard one, but to not report this is allowing predators to continue to prey on women. I had a friend who was assaulted in college and did report this. It never came to trial because it was a he-said - she said issue, and could not be proved. However, the college did believe her and changed security procedures after that. She suffered no repercussions as to her college career and never regretted that she had reported this. She said not saying anything would have destroyed her. That is my problem with the ME-Too movement, as many choose not to report this type of thing for career reasons. There are many women who do stand up to a potential abuser in the workplace, and I am one of them. I was not bothered again by this man and he was placed on probation and eventually fired. That was in the seventies. That is an individual choice that each woman must make. Trying to hold a dead man ( Cesaer died in 1993) accountable seems pointless to me.
Yes, it is an individual choice that each woman must make. Which is why I am wondering why you think every woman has to make the choice you did.
Perhaps you didn't understand that this was not an effort to hold Cesar Chavez accountable. It was participating in a story that was meticulously researched for five years, with 60 people interviewed.
I vehemently disagree with the rest of what you said, but we are not going to persuade each other, so I won't refute this point by point.
I disagree with everything you are saying. The article itself ended with this line." It is long past time to hold perpetrators accountable, no matter how powerful they may be." Your obvious anger is a deterrent to different viewpoints, and you seem to feel that your take on all of this is the only way to look at it. I agree that you and I will never see this situation in the same way so continuing this conversation is pointless. Maybe someday you will realize that there are many women who, despite the risk, choose to speak out and act, rather than remaining silent. It does not always turn out in a positive way for them, but they are fighting back and reclaiming their dignity and sense of self worth by doing so.
In the latest Ethics in the Public Sphere discussion from the UC San Diego Department of Philosophy, Elizabeth Harman argued that survivors do, in fact, have an obligation to warn others, and sexual assault “wrongs” victims by imposing these obligations on them. Survivors are put into moral relationships with future victims that are unhealthy, burdensome and, as Thurman said, complicated.
“Sexual harassment and sexual assault often wrong their victims in an underappreciated way: they turn their victims into wrongdoers. By failing to warn others, victims wrong them,” Harman outlined in her talk “#MeToo and the Failure to Warn Others” at the Ida and Cecil Green Faculty Club on May 24, the day before Weinstein was arrested on charges of rape and sexual abuse. Harman is Laurance S. Rockefeller Professor of Philosophy and Human Values at Princeton University.
“There is so much at stake for future victims, it is certainly worth trying to protect them,” she said. “Failing to report is usually not justified.”
This is my point.
It is not either/or. We don't have a quota on men we can hold accountable. And why *shouldn't* his legacy pay a terrible price? And anyone else's that we determine has harmed people?
Pure and sinless v. pedophile and rapist is a false equivalency. If you actually believe in the concept of sin, which is a religious one, then you believe that everyone has sinned. But there are degrees of harm and if rape and child molestation aren't near the absolute top, then what is?
Any school or public building that has Has Chavez’ name should be changed to honor Delores Huerta’s contribution towards securing the civil rights of hispanics and other non-white populations
I had the extraordinary good luck to be among the vast Moratorium throng in Golden Gate Park on November 15 1969, who joined Dolores Huerta in reciting those sacred words,
Sí, se puede!
She spoke also of the inclusiveness contained in another phrase of freedom:
Viva la Raza!
And she taught us the great lesson brought North from Chile:
El Pueblo Unido Jamas Sera Vencido!
What is to be done with the beautiful mural at Cesar Chavez Elementary School, showing the children of the Rainbow sitting under a great Valley Oak, absorbing the lessons of their famous teacher?
This is very hard. We do this together. With love to ease the hurt.
Add Dolores to the mural and be open about the fact that Chavez had failings. I suspect that countless monuments to “heroes” throughout the millennia would have to be re-evaluated if we knew of their private behaviors and don’t propose going back into history to do it, but to put our energies and commitments into the present and the future—in organizational structure, in changing cultural “norms' and what is acceptable vis a vis how we culturally define manhood, and the bringing up of our young boys to be solid in their morality and their behavior and in their values towards not only women but entitlement, power structures and their responsibilities to society and to their fellow human beings.
Add Dolores and teach the full story. Yes.
Happily not my problem, I have fled the mountain-deprived purgatory of Davis.
Several years ago a Paiute warrior, knowing my attachment to one of the local Trumpy settler town, challenged me: you know this is one Struggle, with the Patriarchy.
Since I present as a card-carrying member of the Patriarchy, and Trust is essential, it was a righteous and necessary challenge..
Aside from my mother, a banker's daughter who taught respect for picket lines and the table-grape and lettuce boycotts, Dolores Huerta, in her outreach to us in 1969, was my first teacher in critical political economy.
Teach! With Love!
Rape is more than a failing. His work on behalf of farmworker justice is powerful and just. His raping women and girls is despicable with no cultural forgiveness.
Beautifully written and beautifully said. Thank you for putting me on the verge of tears.
Thank you Maria! for a beautiful piece and mil gracias a Dolores Huerta for her life and witness, and courage now in speaking out.
A beautiful piece🙏🙏
Thank you for sharing this important writing. Yes, all the Cesar Chavez streets should be renamed for Dolores. She is the strong one. She is the hero. It is tragic that this has all come to Light, yet I am grateful that it has come to Light in the month that honors womens histories and contributions, and in the larger light of the ongoing Epstein scandal which needs to be fully revealed, as horrible as it is.
In Bakersfield CA, where Dolores lives, she is still coming to protests without fanfare, carrying signs, speaking when asked, and challenging school boards when necessary. She is remarkable and humble.
Thank you for the sad but wonderful writing!
I find it fascinating how the revelation is being taken as truth and am very glad that Ms Huerta was able to have her say and find her reasons for being quiet very compelling and believable. I can only compare the coming responses of state agencies etc re any commemorative designations of chavez to the continued glorification of traitors to the Union by present day confederates.
Why shouldn't the revelation be taken as truth? If we can't derive truth from five years of reporting, 60 witnesses interviewed, and three women's willingness to publicly identify themselves and tell their story in what is considered the leading U.S. newspaper, what *can* we consider truth?
Do you just have to outlive the devastation you caused and the lives you wrecked? Is that all it takes?
If Chavez were still alive and a lawsuit was permitted, it would be a civil suit. The standard for prevailing in a civil suit is "more likely than not," expressed as 50.00001% or 50% plus a feather. It is not "beyond a reasonable doubt" and he is *not* innocent until proven guilty. Those are criminal justice standards. How could anyone read the Times article and think it is more likely than not that these women were raped and molested?
Sorry, I am not saying it isn't the truth. What I meant was that I hadn't heard any of the expected 'he said she said' bullshit or denier crap that usually accompanies these revelations of sexual assault on women and girls. That was surprising to me...the lack of denial or making excuses.
Excellent! Let's get those streets and other things mis-named for Chavis changed to honoring Dolores Huerta.