There were plenty of educated, affluent and middle-class people that voted for Trump. Women and black men voted for him in droves. Younger people, many of them in college voted for Trump. The Latino community overwhelmingly voted for Trump. They chose someone who they thought would fatten their wallet and found out that fascism benefits the wealthy and those in power. Everyone else is left to reap the corruption, racism, and destruction of what was once a democracy. It does not take an educated guess to realize that if you elect a convicted felon, you are going to be governed by a criminal enterprise. I can't help but feel pretty cynical now, when everyone is crying foul about this administration. All of these corrosive and destructive actions coming from Trump and his lackeys, are not surprising in the least. The really devasting part for me is the fact that most of this cannot be fixed in my lifetime. We have lost the trust of the free world and may never gain that back. We are paying the cost of Trumps reign of terror, with our pocketbook, our freedoms, and our lives.
I find it bewildering that so many of those groups that you mention voted for Trump. I thought young people cared about climate change, for instance, and since they were the generation of school shooting drills, also cared about guns. Trump reversed every environmental program he could with executive orders the first time and worked to destroy the rest throughout his term. And he bragged - bragged! - in a speech to the NRA that in his first administration, he "did nothing" about guns.
Two small examples when there were plenty more. Were they all just woefully uninformed? After the election, those who had done phone banking said that the problem they ran into was simply that people said they BELIEVED Trump, and no facts they presented to the contrary made any difference. Why did they believe him? I will never understand that.
I actively fear my fellow voters now. The midterms here in MI are for governor, S.o.S, AG and we need to replace our retiring Democratic senator with another Democrat, or we'll go backwards in the Senate. And I have no idea what to expect - except I know MI went for Trump the last time, including the Arab Americans! Many of them in Dearborn are now living in fear for their relatives in Lebanon. Well, they could have had Kamala Harris as president, a compassionate woman who wouldn't have been best buds with Bibi!
Zelda....Sadly, you are so right....about all of this!!!
I, too, am acquainted with people, who seemingly are: intelligent, college educated, middle-class, doing financially well for themselves, and voted for the p.o.s. trump. I'm still trying to understand it....doubt that I ever will. However, I suspect in most cases it was a deep-seated, deeply buried racial prejudice, and with the men it was also misogyny.
I. Just. Had. No. Idea!!! .....I feel foolishly naive now.
It's very evident that these people will do A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G to prevent a person of color ever being in a political leadership role again!
And just how many magas read Time magazine and/or any other independent media?
And how many people (native, black, brown, white Americans) do not ever vote? I did not include Asian Americans, because I believe they are much more diligent in observing their civic duties/responsibilities than any other voter group.
This country has become the Divided States of America and will continue to be so until fascists have been conquered and citizens learn that things running properly in this country comes with a cost.
Some years ago, the University of Sydney printed an updated Course Booklet. It sold like wildfire, and groups of giggling students were seen turning its pages. The computer had been all set up for the reprint, when it was decided to stop using the word "unit" and use "subject" instead. So they used search-and-replace. The result was "The Subjected States of America". Who'd a thunk?
From my experience, very few Trump voters have ever read Project 25. What you end up with is one group who vote Republican no matter what and another group who might catch a bit of Trump on the stump via Fox or some right wing podcaster, think it sounds ok, and then went out and voted for him without having the faintest idea what his presidency might mean.
It's not all their fault. Legacy media has become irrelevant. Fox (& friends) repeat the lies Trump is famous for. And social media caps it all off by shouting conspiracy theories and using their algorithms to get that noise out to people who might believe it (really, I've been checking stories the past few months and I've found that 50% of them bear no likeness to reality).
We, as a nation, have sunk our minds in either fluff, violence, or outright lying. Who's to blame? Well, just about everybody's hands are dirty. Congress stopped being "representative" years ago having been taken over by special interests, most of whom are rich, White, and male. Everybody else has allowed themselves to become slaves thinking that there's a piece of that pie somewhere down the road for them. The reality is usually a shit sandwich.
Only when we get big money the hell out of politics and impose terms limits on everybody in every political office including the judiciary will we ever be able to fix anything. This should bring awareness and hopefully prompt more people into civic participation.
It has become disappointingly clear that a very great number of Americans are easily conned. This is, apparently, a result of our not-so-great education system. What we are seeing now, as demographics change the country, is the last gasp of White supremacy. Curtailing immigration will not, in the long run, alter the fact that soon White people will be a minority in America, and this terrifies many, leaving them susceptible to racist demagogues like Trump. But, as they say, the wheel always turns and the pendulum swings...
I think it's Civil War Part II. The January 6, 2021 insurrection was a Fort Sumter moment. After a short period of shock most of the country got back on the couch and back to their focus on their toys & apps.
I can hardly wait to hear how John Roberts justifies "allowing" Trump to run again in 2028. It's just a matter of time before we hear Dump floating idea and the SC winking and nodding along on the sidelines to help him prep his arguments.
Yes!!! However, I think it should be said that Project 2025 wasn't only to take America back before 1960. I think the intention is to take it back to before the election of 1932 or maybe 1900.
Since I have never really understood how anyone could vote for Trump—I have decided that
the fact he flaunted his wealth and wanted people to believe he was a money genius,appealed to our wealth fixation and the very American disdain for the poor. Trumpism is a very selfish self centered philosophy that says you are on your own and I’m taking everything I can get.If I have more than you it’s cause I’m smarter. Trump has given license to not being civilized.
We're either in for more years of this than any of us have imagined, or we get it together and battle back in ways that turn the tide. I'm 76, can participate in the dig-out if we get there. If not - the younger generations are going to have to reckon with what kind of lives they want to live in the US. Then I won't be of any consequence, and probably won't be here any longer. Took Hungary 16 years to dig out. Probably won't take the US that long because we're bigger and have way more pissed off people. In the meantime - my shovel is at the ready.
I have always said that there was no excuse for electing him twice. I mean, really. I have had to come to the horrible and cynical conclusion that Americans are mostly gullible fools who don’t pay attention to anything, especially to the things that impact them, even when people are shining bright lights on the threats and saying—“look look! Bad guys!” Instead, they believed the old “no matter who you vote for nothing ever changes.” That has been demonstrated to be catastrophically false!
But I am not sure most of America will learn anything from this debacle. If so I am afraid it will be too little, too late.
Maybe Americans living in the USA are just bored and secretly lazy and prefer to watch soap-opera-style TV rather than solving complicated life issues like multiracial education, climate change, healthcare, and international trade. I don't like to argue this point because my beliefs are different and solution-oriented. I want to solve the "problem", but what if there is 35% of every population that just doesn't care, and truly just wants to sit around and experience life as though it is just another "reality TV program"? And that 35% just want to be left alone and entertained by clowns, memes and silly videos? Maybe it is a simple human species weakness that explains why anyone would find Trump entertaining or funny. Personally, it makes no sense, but maybe that is the simple reason why someone who is to me an idiot can appear to my neighbor as a King? I just don't get it, but I am begrudgingly willing to accept it as a feature of human life.
This is the best you’ve written about voters because it points the finger at everyone. You could also point out that voting is not enough for those who voted knowing that Trump will deliver on his promises and wanting to prevent that. We have to do more, somehow. Thanks also for the news about Kamala.
"... now is the time to realize that Trump’s hints of a third term should be taken seriously."
Actually, if he really believes his own claim that he won in 2020, then wouldn't this already be his third term, and a win in 2028 (for his immortal AI clone/hologram) would be his fourth?
There were plenty of educated, affluent and middle-class people that voted for Trump. Women and black men voted for him in droves. Younger people, many of them in college voted for Trump. The Latino community overwhelmingly voted for Trump. They chose someone who they thought would fatten their wallet and found out that fascism benefits the wealthy and those in power. Everyone else is left to reap the corruption, racism, and destruction of what was once a democracy. It does not take an educated guess to realize that if you elect a convicted felon, you are going to be governed by a criminal enterprise. I can't help but feel pretty cynical now, when everyone is crying foul about this administration. All of these corrosive and destructive actions coming from Trump and his lackeys, are not surprising in the least. The really devasting part for me is the fact that most of this cannot be fixed in my lifetime. We have lost the trust of the free world and may never gain that back. We are paying the cost of Trumps reign of terror, with our pocketbook, our freedoms, and our lives.
I find it bewildering that so many of those groups that you mention voted for Trump. I thought young people cared about climate change, for instance, and since they were the generation of school shooting drills, also cared about guns. Trump reversed every environmental program he could with executive orders the first time and worked to destroy the rest throughout his term. And he bragged - bragged! - in a speech to the NRA that in his first administration, he "did nothing" about guns.
Two small examples when there were plenty more. Were they all just woefully uninformed? After the election, those who had done phone banking said that the problem they ran into was simply that people said they BELIEVED Trump, and no facts they presented to the contrary made any difference. Why did they believe him? I will never understand that.
I actively fear my fellow voters now. The midterms here in MI are for governor, S.o.S, AG and we need to replace our retiring Democratic senator with another Democrat, or we'll go backwards in the Senate. And I have no idea what to expect - except I know MI went for Trump the last time, including the Arab Americans! Many of them in Dearborn are now living in fear for their relatives in Lebanon. Well, they could have had Kamala Harris as president, a compassionate woman who wouldn't have been best buds with Bibi!
Zelda....Sadly, you are so right....about all of this!!!
I, too, am acquainted with people, who seemingly are: intelligent, college educated, middle-class, doing financially well for themselves, and voted for the p.o.s. trump. I'm still trying to understand it....doubt that I ever will. However, I suspect in most cases it was a deep-seated, deeply buried racial prejudice, and with the men it was also misogyny.
I. Just. Had. No. Idea!!! .....I feel foolishly naive now.
It's very evident that these people will do A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G to prevent a person of color ever being in a political leadership role again!
It just breaks my heart. 💔
Santana's corollary: "Those who learn from history are doomed to watch everyone else repeat it."
And just how many magas read Time magazine and/or any other independent media?
And how many people (native, black, brown, white Americans) do not ever vote? I did not include Asian Americans, because I believe they are much more diligent in observing their civic duties/responsibilities than any other voter group.
This country has become the Divided States of America and will continue to be so until fascists have been conquered and citizens learn that things running properly in this country comes with a cost.
Some years ago, the University of Sydney printed an updated Course Booklet. It sold like wildfire, and groups of giggling students were seen turning its pages. The computer had been all set up for the reprint, when it was decided to stop using the word "unit" and use "subject" instead. So they used search-and-replace. The result was "The Subjected States of America". Who'd a thunk?
Great "replacement" and the unwitting truth.
From my experience, very few Trump voters have ever read Project 25. What you end up with is one group who vote Republican no matter what and another group who might catch a bit of Trump on the stump via Fox or some right wing podcaster, think it sounds ok, and then went out and voted for him without having the faintest idea what his presidency might mean.
It's not all their fault. Legacy media has become irrelevant. Fox (& friends) repeat the lies Trump is famous for. And social media caps it all off by shouting conspiracy theories and using their algorithms to get that noise out to people who might believe it (really, I've been checking stories the past few months and I've found that 50% of them bear no likeness to reality).
We, as a nation, have sunk our minds in either fluff, violence, or outright lying. Who's to blame? Well, just about everybody's hands are dirty. Congress stopped being "representative" years ago having been taken over by special interests, most of whom are rich, White, and male. Everybody else has allowed themselves to become slaves thinking that there's a piece of that pie somewhere down the road for them. The reality is usually a shit sandwich.
Only when we get big money the hell out of politics and impose terms limits on everybody in every political office including the judiciary will we ever be able to fix anything. This should bring awareness and hopefully prompt more people into civic participation.
It has become disappointingly clear that a very great number of Americans are easily conned. This is, apparently, a result of our not-so-great education system. What we are seeing now, as demographics change the country, is the last gasp of White supremacy. Curtailing immigration will not, in the long run, alter the fact that soon White people will be a minority in America, and this terrifies many, leaving them susceptible to racist demagogues like Trump. But, as they say, the wheel always turns and the pendulum swings...
I think it's Civil War Part II. The January 6, 2021 insurrection was a Fort Sumter moment. After a short period of shock most of the country got back on the couch and back to their focus on their toys & apps.
I can hardly wait to hear how John Roberts justifies "allowing" Trump to run again in 2028. It's just a matter of time before we hear Dump floating idea and the SC winking and nodding along on the sidelines to help him prep his arguments.
Yes!!! However, I think it should be said that Project 2025 wasn't only to take America back before 1960. I think the intention is to take it back to before the election of 1932 or maybe 1900.
Since I have never really understood how anyone could vote for Trump—I have decided that
the fact he flaunted his wealth and wanted people to believe he was a money genius,appealed to our wealth fixation and the very American disdain for the poor. Trumpism is a very selfish self centered philosophy that says you are on your own and I’m taking everything I can get.If I have more than you it’s cause I’m smarter. Trump has given license to not being civilized.
We're either in for more years of this than any of us have imagined, or we get it together and battle back in ways that turn the tide. I'm 76, can participate in the dig-out if we get there. If not - the younger generations are going to have to reckon with what kind of lives they want to live in the US. Then I won't be of any consequence, and probably won't be here any longer. Took Hungary 16 years to dig out. Probably won't take the US that long because we're bigger and have way more pissed off people. In the meantime - my shovel is at the ready.
I have always said that there was no excuse for electing him twice. I mean, really. I have had to come to the horrible and cynical conclusion that Americans are mostly gullible fools who don’t pay attention to anything, especially to the things that impact them, even when people are shining bright lights on the threats and saying—“look look! Bad guys!” Instead, they believed the old “no matter who you vote for nothing ever changes.” That has been demonstrated to be catastrophically false!
But I am not sure most of America will learn anything from this debacle. If so I am afraid it will be too little, too late.
Maybe Americans living in the USA are just bored and secretly lazy and prefer to watch soap-opera-style TV rather than solving complicated life issues like multiracial education, climate change, healthcare, and international trade. I don't like to argue this point because my beliefs are different and solution-oriented. I want to solve the "problem", but what if there is 35% of every population that just doesn't care, and truly just wants to sit around and experience life as though it is just another "reality TV program"? And that 35% just want to be left alone and entertained by clowns, memes and silly videos? Maybe it is a simple human species weakness that explains why anyone would find Trump entertaining or funny. Personally, it makes no sense, but maybe that is the simple reason why someone who is to me an idiot can appear to my neighbor as a King? I just don't get it, but I am begrudgingly willing to accept it as a feature of human life.
This is the best you’ve written about voters because it points the finger at everyone. You could also point out that voting is not enough for those who voted knowing that Trump will deliver on his promises and wanting to prevent that. We have to do more, somehow. Thanks also for the news about Kamala.
"America loves to ignore warning signs but still be outraged at an outcome that was known."
"... now is the time to realize that Trump’s hints of a third term should be taken seriously."
Actually, if he really believes his own claim that he won in 2020, then wouldn't this already be his third term, and a win in 2028 (for his immortal AI clone/hologram) would be his fourth?