So everybody who fought in world war II againts Nazi Germany and Fascists Italy……are they considered historical terrorists?? Such a crap. I will celebrate the 250 when all these cretinos are gone!
I hope there will be some follow up on the chances of success on appeal of this terrible verdict. It’s beyond belief really and I’m a lawyer and I thought I’d seen it all.
I think it’s impossible to exaggerate the civil liberties threat that NSPM-7 poses for anyone who opposes the regime — or who the regime opposes and prosecutes on ideological grounds. It may well have a muzzling effect on pro-democracy efforts to protect free and fair elections this year, with catastrophic results.
I thought only Congress can create a federal crime. Since when can that be done via EO? Isn't it a violation of the First Amendment to put a specific religion on a pedestal for special consideration?
All the veterans of WW-II, Korean War, Viet Nam War, and the Iraq War, are Anti Fascists by dictionary definition; they opposed fascism with their lives and used force to do so. The collection of ideas in the EO absconds with the dictionary definition and replaces it with an arbitrary collection of ideas. Are they joined by an "OR" clause or are they joined by an "AND" clause? If "AND" they must all be present to reach a conclusion. If "OR" then nearly anyone tRump wants to attack could be included - that is textbook unconstitutionally broad.
Does the EO provide a crisp, executable definition of this asserted Antifa "organization"? If not, it is just a placeholder label to be used like a self-stick stamp for an envelope that will work no matter what is inside the envelope. That is unconstitutionally vague.
An organization that has a set of properties is defined behaviorally but without stable structure along with a set of properties. A First Amendment protest is not a criminal conspiracy; fireworks are legal in Texas. What is not legal is for one of the group members to use a firearm against a police officer. The conviction makes sense, but not the terrorist amplification. A subset of properties by themselves are insufficient to infer the full set of properties, most notably the intent to overthrow the government and the rule of law. I fault the jury for not understanding the logic and the defense attorney for not educating them in the fallacy of reasoning by the prosecutor.
The government has already gone down the path of destruction. Until we can teach our kids, but especially our own people what is going on here with our government is the opposite of anti-fascism. Until our own including both children and adults can learn from what is happening now is the only way we can stop the threat of fascism. It is going to take a lot of well read people in the modern Democratic Party to talk about what is happening now and to compare and contrast what happened in the past to really get the point across. Jen and Norm are both excellent examples of pro-democracy advocates to talk about this kind of stuff. Great job Lily!
It's all part of the playbook. Fascinate the fools, muzzle the intelligent.
Immigrants, minorities, women, LGBTQ and eventually the liberals all carefully removed, restricted or incarcerated.
If it is successfully implemented, the fools will lose their guns and also become part of the oppressed, without ever realizing or recognizing how they were duplicitous in their own demise as well.
So everybody who fought in world war II againts Nazi Germany and Fascists Italy……are they considered historical terrorists?? Such a crap. I will celebrate the 250 when all these cretinos are gone!
"Such a Crap" may not be the most idiomatic English, but I think it should be immortalized as the official historical descriptor of the MAGA movement.
I hope there will be some follow up on the chances of success on appeal of this terrible verdict. It’s beyond belief really and I’m a lawyer and I thought I’d seen it all.
Is there no recourse over these ghastly prison sentences ???
This really makes me sick. I hope they can win on appeal…or worst comes to worst be pardoned by the next democratic president.
If you aren’t ANTI FASCIST….then you are FASCIST! Simple as that!!!!!!!
Can the convicted appeal and be on bond til they are tried?
So, heres the problem: if you’re not anti-fascist, you are by definition a traitor. You are either one or the other, there is no other option.
I think it’s impossible to exaggerate the civil liberties threat that NSPM-7 poses for anyone who opposes the regime — or who the regime opposes and prosecutes on ideological grounds. It may well have a muzzling effect on pro-democracy efforts to protect free and fair elections this year, with catastrophic results.
I thought only Congress can create a federal crime. Since when can that be done via EO? Isn't it a violation of the First Amendment to put a specific religion on a pedestal for special consideration?
All the veterans of WW-II, Korean War, Viet Nam War, and the Iraq War, are Anti Fascists by dictionary definition; they opposed fascism with their lives and used force to do so. The collection of ideas in the EO absconds with the dictionary definition and replaces it with an arbitrary collection of ideas. Are they joined by an "OR" clause or are they joined by an "AND" clause? If "AND" they must all be present to reach a conclusion. If "OR" then nearly anyone tRump wants to attack could be included - that is textbook unconstitutionally broad.
is there no recourse for those convicted?
Does the EO provide a crisp, executable definition of this asserted Antifa "organization"? If not, it is just a placeholder label to be used like a self-stick stamp for an envelope that will work no matter what is inside the envelope. That is unconstitutionally vague.
Here is the EO: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/designating-antifa-as-a-domestic-terrorist-organization/
"A implies B; B therefore A" is false.
An organization that has a set of properties is defined behaviorally but without stable structure along with a set of properties. A First Amendment protest is not a criminal conspiracy; fireworks are legal in Texas. What is not legal is for one of the group members to use a firearm against a police officer. The conviction makes sense, but not the terrorist amplification. A subset of properties by themselves are insufficient to infer the full set of properties, most notably the intent to overthrow the government and the rule of law. I fault the jury for not understanding the logic and the defense attorney for not educating them in the fallacy of reasoning by the prosecutor.
It's Texas.
I am as antifascist as my father was, when he and thousands of other American (and other nationalities) antifascists beat Germany in the ETO.
In Trump's world punishment begins immediately. You have to come up with money to hire a lawyer. You have to repair your reputation, and so on.
The government has already gone down the path of destruction. Until we can teach our kids, but especially our own people what is going on here with our government is the opposite of anti-fascism. Until our own including both children and adults can learn from what is happening now is the only way we can stop the threat of fascism. It is going to take a lot of well read people in the modern Democratic Party to talk about what is happening now and to compare and contrast what happened in the past to really get the point across. Jen and Norm are both excellent examples of pro-democracy advocates to talk about this kind of stuff. Great job Lily!
It's all part of the playbook. Fascinate the fools, muzzle the intelligent.
Immigrants, minorities, women, LGBTQ and eventually the liberals all carefully removed, restricted or incarcerated.
If it is successfully implemented, the fools will lose their guns and also become part of the oppressed, without ever realizing or recognizing how they were duplicitous in their own demise as well.