That's a real danger. If you are approached by ICE or real law enforcement with the gloves, warn them of your vulnerability, so they are fully aware of the situation.
I don't think they will care about you, and they will have no defense if you are harmed.
"Qualified immunity" is on shaky ground, and it is broadly unpopular. Courts follow the public, though sometimes they are slow.
Qualified immunity is a judicial doctrine that can vanish in a single Supreme Court decision. It is not based on statute or the Constitution.
The Supreme Court has limited it in recent decisions. Justice Clarence Thomas thinks it should be eliminated. Libertarian Justin Amash authored a bill to eliminate it. The Second Amendment Foundation, the ACLU, Alliance Defending Freedom, the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, the Cato Institute, and many other groups oppose it.
Brutality by ICE agents is the perfect case to eliminate it. The Supreme Court is desperate for respect and relevance currently, so they are looking for cases to establish itself. So I think some ICE agent is likely to be sued into bankruptcy and fired for excessive force.
I would stay away from ICE, but that isn't always in our control. So stating your objections and warning agents that you are vulnerable is important for future cases.
In the meantime, individual agents and officers should think twice about using the gloves, because manufacturers lie. They won't go to court with officers that are sued. Agencies and departments have not been honest with agents and officers about the lethality of weapons, and they will likely throw them under the bus if there is a lawsuit. The agencies and departments will throw all the blame on the agents and officers to avoid liability. Insurance companies should be worried about the gloves, because the lawsuits could total in the billions. So the companies should jack up premiums, refuse to pay claims, and refuse to cover agencies and departments that use the gloves.
I'm not a lawyer, but I know that you have to clearly state your objections and your vulnerability for the best chance in court.
I read an article or post yesterday that was about a public school in Omaha where those gloves were being used as a trial. Apparently nobody including the principal and the district superintendent knew that this was happening but when the information came out parents were in an uproar and the gloves were removed the very next day
I don't think anybody thinks this is a good idea. Another nail in the Republican coffin.
FYI, I clicked the link to comment on the Roadless Rule, and oppose the admin's attempt to open forests to logging and mining; but what I see says that the public comment period is closed (as of Sept 2025).
I did send a message to my Sens and Rep opposing procurement of shock gloves. Thank you so much for that action item - those gloves sound super alarming!
What do you mean by "go one higher"? Is there a place on the .gov page to do that? Or is it some other action I should take? I'll be more than happy to do that if I understand how to do so.
"The Trump administration is attempting — again — to open pristine stands of federal forest to logging and development roads. The Department of Agriculture announced this week it is attempting to rescind a landmark 2001 “Roadless Rule” that protects nearly 45 million acres of national forest from resource exploitation."
Love to know who among the cognoscenti has been buying up logging rights.
Sorry, I took a screenshot and do not remember the source of this. I think it was a Facebook group called Trump resistance movement. It was an article about a public school in Omaha where the gloves had been used in a trial, unbeknownst to anyone in the school system. Here's part of the article. Some truly disgusting comments here by law enforcement
"ICE plans to buy thousands of pairs of the same gloves, through a no-bid contract, for its agents.
The device, marketed by its manufacturer, a Kentucky-based company called Compliant Technologies LLC, as an "invisible partner" and a "force multiplier," is prized by some officers for a telling reason: as one police official touted, the pain it inflicts leaves "no burn marks or scars."
That was Adam Glueck, an assistant police chief in Cape Girardeau, Missouri, who explained the appeal on a podcast: "In today's society, you know, everybody's filming everything, everybody has a cell phone." A punch caught on camera can go viral; even a Taser leaves puncture wounds. But the glove, he said, "is low optic, and it looks better on camera, and it looks better to those witnesses."
Other officers have been just as blunt about the draw. Bob Couey, of the Floyd County Sheriff's Office in Georgia, recommended the gloves "to anybody that's looking for a utility they can use that is conducive to not leading to lawsuits." A Kentucky jailer, Justin Hall of Nelson County, called them "a great tool as far as mitigating liability." The pain is the same. What the gloves remove is the evidence.
Officers, agents, and agencies should be afraid of liability for using these gloves. Axon, the manufacturer of the Taser, covered up their own research on how dangerous the Taser is. So there is no reason to believe the weapons manufacturers like Axon. They don't stand up with law enforcement when there is a tragedy, so law enforcement is on its own. Qualified immunity is receiving increased scrutiny, and it only takes one case to end the doctrine. If I were an insurer, I would not want to insure agencies that use these gloves. I would charge astronomical premiums, and I would cover a claim only if there was proof that the officer followed all procedures 100%, there was absolutely no malice by the officer, and the officer fully warned the victim of the lethality in advance. Also, I would require extensive training of all officers on the proper use of the weapon and the possibility of death of the victim, repeated monthly.
I agree. The agency and the agents show no concern. They assume there will be no penalty. The public is becoming more critical of courts and the doctrine of
"qualified immunity". The public leads, and the court follows eventually. "Qualified immunity" is one Supreme Court decision from ending, and then the floodgates for lawsuits are opened. Agents should be afraid of millions of dollars in personal liability. Agencies should be afraid of billions of dollars in judgments. Insurers should be excluding coverage of the gloves in policies or increasing premiums significantly. The manufacturer should be afraid of bankruptcy from lawsuits.
They have killed citizens in the streets. Clearly, ICE doesn't care, nor does the administration. Torture gloves just another item in their toolbox of control and domination! And in America....
The timing of the GLOVE purchase is suspect on all levels. Hearing confirmation that the DOJ will be sending at 1,000 observers to polling places but also, what appears to a confirmed plan to send ICE agents also. So you think they’ll have their gloves? This is why it’s so important that people of all walks of life and every polling location nationwide go to their polling places early and stay until close. Everyone cannot travel to locations for marches but we can all get to our polling locations and provide support and protection non-violently to all voters and to the poll workers. There are all sorts of warnings regarding what might happen including hostile take over of votes before certification. Also of course intimidation to reduce the number of voters who can actually cast a vote. We need all hands on deck in red and blue areas alike.
There is no such thing as a non-lethal weapon. Derek Chauvin murdered George Floyd with his knee. Axon (maker of the Taser) covered up their own research on the dangers of the Taser.
The shock gloves raise multiple red flags.
1. If the gloves touch separate limbs, the current can travel across the heart, which can disrupt the heart and pacemakers.
2. The same can happen if more than one person touches a person with the gloves.
3. The gloves are designed for contact with dry skin.
Water and sweat increase the conductance of the skin which increases the current quadratically.
4. If the gloves contact metal objects, the current can harm bystanders touching the metal objects.
5. The gloves could be short-circuited by water or by contacting the same metal object.
All of that assumes the users are well-trained, and that they act in good faith. ICE agents are poorly trained, and they are known for brutality for the sake of brutality.
The gloves are designed for direct contact with skin, instead of through clothing, but even if you wear long sleeves, long pants, gloves and face coverings, you could be harmed.
Make sure to tell agents or officers that the gloves can kill you, and that you object to the use of them. Tell them that you are vulnerable to worse outcomes because of epilepsy, heart conditions, pacemakers, etc. It won't stop them, but it could help in a lawsuit if you are harmed. That is not legal advice, so make your own decisions.
So what happens if ICE and their victims are both wearing shock gloves? Do they transport into outer space? I keep thinking there will be some flaws in the manufacturing that results in major shocks for the wearers. Buyer beware!!!!
The link about commenting on "roadless" incursions on our national forests is from 2025 and the comment section was closed as of 9/19/2025. Therefore, either the link provided is incorrect or this is old news.
I am horrified that ICE has the money and the power to buy these lethal gloves for their storm troopers. They are again being given permission to kill. I can visualize two or three ICE-ers grabing one person... and shocking them to death. We have to stop it somehow. It is so inhumane and Trump-like and totally against what we think of as American. It's time to fight them.
I have a heart pacemaker. If one of those murderous ICE creeps touches me with those electric gloves, I will be dead before I hit the ground.
You definitely will be. And at least half the protesters I see in pictures are senior citizens. So this is not a small risk.
Wonder how our senior GOP leadership feels about endangering fellow senior Americans.
Ask them. Personally.
That's a real danger. If you are approached by ICE or real law enforcement with the gloves, warn them of your vulnerability, so they are fully aware of the situation.
Dear WDB... do you think an ICE agent will listen or care? They didn't listen to the woman in Michigan driving away from the scene of an ICE incident?
I don't think they will care about you, and they will have no defense if you are harmed.
"Qualified immunity" is on shaky ground, and it is broadly unpopular. Courts follow the public, though sometimes they are slow.
Qualified immunity is a judicial doctrine that can vanish in a single Supreme Court decision. It is not based on statute or the Constitution.
The Supreme Court has limited it in recent decisions. Justice Clarence Thomas thinks it should be eliminated. Libertarian Justin Amash authored a bill to eliminate it. The Second Amendment Foundation, the ACLU, Alliance Defending Freedom, the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, the Cato Institute, and many other groups oppose it.
Brutality by ICE agents is the perfect case to eliminate it. The Supreme Court is desperate for respect and relevance currently, so they are looking for cases to establish itself. So I think some ICE agent is likely to be sued into bankruptcy and fired for excessive force.
I would stay away from ICE, but that isn't always in our control. So stating your objections and warning agents that you are vulnerable is important for future cases.
In the meantime, individual agents and officers should think twice about using the gloves, because manufacturers lie. They won't go to court with officers that are sued. Agencies and departments have not been honest with agents and officers about the lethality of weapons, and they will likely throw them under the bus if there is a lawsuit. The agencies and departments will throw all the blame on the agents and officers to avoid liability. Insurance companies should be worried about the gloves, because the lawsuits could total in the billions. So the companies should jack up premiums, refuse to pay claims, and refuse to cover agencies and departments that use the gloves.
I'm not a lawyer, but I know that you have to clearly state your objections and your vulnerability for the best chance in court.
Somehow that doesn’t make me feel confident enough to be anywhere near them. I also worry about other elderly who are not aware of these gloves.
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I love when you guys offer these actionable options!
I read an article or post yesterday that was about a public school in Omaha where those gloves were being used as a trial. Apparently nobody including the principal and the district superintendent knew that this was happening but when the information came out parents were in an uproar and the gloves were removed the very next day
I don't think anybody thinks this is a good idea. Another nail in the Republican coffin.
How absolutely stupid to use school kids for such an experiment! If true, someone needs to lose their jobs.
FYI, I clicked the link to comment on the Roadless Rule, and oppose the admin's attempt to open forests to logging and mining; but what I see says that the public comment period is closed (as of Sept 2025).
I did send a message to my Sens and Rep opposing procurement of shock gloves. Thank you so much for that action item - those gloves sound super alarming!
Eileen, go one higher and complain that the public comment period was closed nearly a year ago.
I did that
And?
What do you mean by "go one higher"? Is there a place on the .gov page to do that? Or is it some other action I should take? I'll be more than happy to do that if I understand how to do so.
Eileen, I'm in Australia. What is your Representative for?
U.S. House of Representatives; California...
ICE THUGS with new torture devices! Mengele Miller must be giddy. Bet he'll go out and secretly experiment on the homeless.
Sure. There's no there there.
"The Trump administration is attempting — again — to open pristine stands of federal forest to logging and development roads. The Department of Agriculture announced this week it is attempting to rescind a landmark 2001 “Roadless Rule” that protects nearly 45 million acres of national forest from resource exploitation."
Love to know who among the cognoscenti has been buying up logging rights.
Sorry, I took a screenshot and do not remember the source of this. I think it was a Facebook group called Trump resistance movement. It was an article about a public school in Omaha where the gloves had been used in a trial, unbeknownst to anyone in the school system. Here's part of the article. Some truly disgusting comments here by law enforcement
"ICE plans to buy thousands of pairs of the same gloves, through a no-bid contract, for its agents.
The device, marketed by its manufacturer, a Kentucky-based company called Compliant Technologies LLC, as an "invisible partner" and a "force multiplier," is prized by some officers for a telling reason: as one police official touted, the pain it inflicts leaves "no burn marks or scars."
That was Adam Glueck, an assistant police chief in Cape Girardeau, Missouri, who explained the appeal on a podcast: "In today's society, you know, everybody's filming everything, everybody has a cell phone." A punch caught on camera can go viral; even a Taser leaves puncture wounds. But the glove, he said, "is low optic, and it looks better on camera, and it looks better to those witnesses."
Other officers have been just as blunt about the draw. Bob Couey, of the Floyd County Sheriff's Office in Georgia, recommended the gloves "to anybody that's looking for a utility they can use that is conducive to not leading to lawsuits." A Kentucky jailer, Justin Hall of Nelson County, called them "a great tool as far as mitigating liability." The pain is the same. What the gloves remove is the evidence.
Officers, agents, and agencies should be afraid of liability for using these gloves. Axon, the manufacturer of the Taser, covered up their own research on how dangerous the Taser is. So there is no reason to believe the weapons manufacturers like Axon. They don't stand up with law enforcement when there is a tragedy, so law enforcement is on its own. Qualified immunity is receiving increased scrutiny, and it only takes one case to end the doctrine. If I were an insurer, I would not want to insure agencies that use these gloves. I would charge astronomical premiums, and I would cover a claim only if there was proof that the officer followed all procedures 100%, there was absolutely no malice by the officer, and the officer fully warned the victim of the lethality in advance. Also, I would require extensive training of all officers on the proper use of the weapon and the possibility of death of the victim, repeated monthly.
ICE doesn't care
I agree. The agency and the agents show no concern. They assume there will be no penalty. The public is becoming more critical of courts and the doctrine of
"qualified immunity". The public leads, and the court follows eventually. "Qualified immunity" is one Supreme Court decision from ending, and then the floodgates for lawsuits are opened. Agents should be afraid of millions of dollars in personal liability. Agencies should be afraid of billions of dollars in judgments. Insurers should be excluding coverage of the gloves in policies or increasing premiums significantly. The manufacturer should be afraid of bankruptcy from lawsuits.
They have killed citizens in the streets. Clearly, ICE doesn't care, nor does the administration. Torture gloves just another item in their toolbox of control and domination! And in America....
New podcast sounds intriguing. “My God! Now what?”
The title certainly expresses my daily thoughts
Maybe they could add a guest speaker like our president to update his daily lies.
We can also just check on “TruthSocial” or more correctly, “LiesSocial”!
"Antisocial lies"?
If we are going to talk about surveillance - let's include all of Palantir's info collection too.
The timing of the GLOVE purchase is suspect on all levels. Hearing confirmation that the DOJ will be sending at 1,000 observers to polling places but also, what appears to a confirmed plan to send ICE agents also. So you think they’ll have their gloves? This is why it’s so important that people of all walks of life and every polling location nationwide go to their polling places early and stay until close. Everyone cannot travel to locations for marches but we can all get to our polling locations and provide support and protection non-violently to all voters and to the poll workers. There are all sorts of warnings regarding what might happen including hostile take over of votes before certification. Also of course intimidation to reduce the number of voters who can actually cast a vote. We need all hands on deck in red and blue areas alike.
There is no such thing as a non-lethal weapon. Derek Chauvin murdered George Floyd with his knee. Axon (maker of the Taser) covered up their own research on the dangers of the Taser.
The shock gloves raise multiple red flags.
1. If the gloves touch separate limbs, the current can travel across the heart, which can disrupt the heart and pacemakers.
2. The same can happen if more than one person touches a person with the gloves.
3. The gloves are designed for contact with dry skin.
Water and sweat increase the conductance of the skin which increases the current quadratically.
4. If the gloves contact metal objects, the current can harm bystanders touching the metal objects.
5. The gloves could be short-circuited by water or by contacting the same metal object.
All of that assumes the users are well-trained, and that they act in good faith. ICE agents are poorly trained, and they are known for brutality for the sake of brutality.
The gloves are designed for direct contact with skin, instead of through clothing, but even if you wear long sleeves, long pants, gloves and face coverings, you could be harmed.
Make sure to tell agents or officers that the gloves can kill you, and that you object to the use of them. Tell them that you are vulnerable to worse outcomes because of epilepsy, heart conditions, pacemakers, etc. It won't stop them, but it could help in a lawsuit if you are harmed. That is not legal advice, so make your own decisions.
So what happens if ICE and their victims are both wearing shock gloves? Do they transport into outer space? I keep thinking there will be some flaws in the manufacturing that results in major shocks for the wearers. Buyer beware!!!!
The link about commenting on "roadless" incursions on our national forests is from 2025 and the comment section was closed as of 9/19/2025. Therefore, either the link provided is incorrect or this is old news.
https://www.regulations.gov/document/FS-2025-0001-223869/comment
Who do you complain to about an out-of-date link which is still necessary?
Wish I knew. Hoping someone skims the comments.
Interesting that ICE can't afford body cameras but they can spend $20,000,000 to buy shock gloves.
I am horrified that ICE has the money and the power to buy these lethal gloves for their storm troopers. They are again being given permission to kill. I can visualize two or three ICE-ers grabing one person... and shocking them to death. We have to stop it somehow. It is so inhumane and Trump-like and totally against what we think of as American. It's time to fight them.