I don’t equate Christian nationalism with Christianity, at all. I think this is an extreme movement, just like fundamentalism dresses in the clothes of any other religion or no religion. I think a huge problem is that the mainstream Christian denomination leaders who know this is bad are being much too quiet—see no evil approach.
The white Xian nationalists I know 'know' God is shifting history through their adopted Saviour. And they concur with Putin. So war on 'non'-Christians is God-ordained (blueprint = Hebrew Bible). Their 'denomination leaders' really believe this, know it's 'good', of God, not bad. Do not think they will change their 'knowing.'
The fact is, 40% of the US population is either completely ignorant, willfully ignorant, racist or a millionaire/billionaire who will always vote for someone like the orange felon.
The really funny part are the so-called christians who continue to let the worst sinner in history be their "leader."
White Christian nationalists are getting desperate. A preponderance of their support was born before 1980. Those born since 1980 are more liberal, less white, and less Christian.
MAGA is a backlash to that and Trump is their Pied Piper. They believe, correctly I think, it is now or never for them to put in white Christian nationalist semi-theocracy. By the 2030 s it will be too late. Their tactics have been shock-and -awe since Jan 20.
I hope tomorrow's election is a Blue Blowout. That will be a good indication MAGA will fail.
"We found that only four in ten Americans (41%) see Trump as a strong leader who should be given the power he needs, compared to a majority (56%) who see him as a dangerous dictator whose power should be limited."
"Only" 41% think that Trump needs/should be given more dicatatorial powers? That is truly frightening. At least there appear to be some cracks showing up. In this primarily red farming and small business community, people who previously had Trump signs in their yards have been showing up at the No Kings rallys here - carrying a totally different kind of sign!
We have never been "evenly" divided, as polarization implies equal and opposing views.
If you must characterize it this way, lose the easy "red vs. blue" or Republican vs Democrat split.
It has been and remains a recognition of "right vs. wrong", "ethical vs. immoral", true vs. fiction. We must stop sanitizing discussions, allowing "performative neutrality" on media, and refuse to call despicable words, actions, policies. Our societal values of the necessity for decency and empathy within a diverse community have been trashed and shredded. If we are ever to be able to recoup the intrinsic values that are the foundation of our society, we must light a bonfire under those who would make it extinct.
While it's good that around 55% see Don the Con as a dangerous would-be dictator, it's frightening that it's only 55%! In any sane climate it ought to be 75% or more!
It reminds me of the SCROTUS decision on flag burning. The court ruled 5-4 that it was protected speech under the First Amendment. Either the majority or concurrent opinion was written by, of all people, Scalia! He said something to the effect of:
If I were King, I'd take every scruffy-bearded flag burner, put him [sic] in jail and throw away the key. But I'm not the King, and I must interpret the laws according to my best understanding of the Constitution, and I understand that flag-burning is protected speech.
Some critics praised the Court's decision to allow flag burning, but others lamented that the decision was 5-4 when it should have been 9-0 because considering flag-burning to be protected protest was a no-brainer!
"restore American greatness..." I'm having trouble with that phrase! Almost everything Trump is doing is destroying American greatness. Please put that phrase in scare-quotes in the future! It's one of those "phrases we can do without."
For the second question, why did you settle on "dictator" instead of something less extreme, e.g., "tyrant"?
One of the reasons I ask is that the best and brightest of those who wrote or considered ratifying our original Constitution or the Bill of Rights in 1787-1791 thought and spoke much about tyrants and tyranny. The Declaration of Independence was about the people's independence from tyranny and tyrants, not only kings.
James Madison and Alexander Hamilton explained why our Constitution requires separation of powers (legislative, executive and judicial). Such separation was crucial to our Constitution and our liberty. In The Federalist Papers, James Madison (Federalist No. 47) and Alexander Hamilton (Federalist No. 78) invoked and quoted Montesquieu:
Madison: "The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many" is "the very definition of tyranny." Tyranny (an excessive accumulation of power) is dangerous and detrimental regardless of whether one (e.g., the president), a few (including any faction in Congress or on SCOTUS) or many (any political or religious faction among the people) possess the power of tyrants to oppress others. As Madison emphasized, under our Constitution there is great danger of oppression and tyranny by any faction or political or religious majority (or even a minority).
"In order to form correct ideas on this important subject, it will be proper to investigate the sense in which the preservation of liberty requires that the three great departments of power should be separate and distinct. The oracle who is always consulted and cited on this subject is the celebrated Montesquieu." "Montesquieu" emphasized (and the people who wrote and ratified our Constitution believed) "There can be no liberty where the legislative and executive powers are united in the same person, or body of magistrates," or, "if the power of judging be not separated from the legislative and executive powers."
Hamilton: "I agree" with Montesquieu that "there is no liberty, if the power of judging be not separated from the legislative and executive powers." Maybe "liberty can have nothing to fear from the judiciary alone, but would have every thing to fear from its union with either of the other departments."
In other words, if you are pre-determining that 30% are self-identified Republicans and 13% are white evangelicals and the groups do not overlap, is there a possibility that weighting bias accounts for the startling alignment of Republicans value at ~40% so many times?
I wonder what percentage of white non-evangelical, non-denominational Christians believe Trump is a threat to democracy? Though there are some evangelicals who view Trump as a threat to our democracy. I know a few of them.
Interesting that 🔹Catholic Hispanics (58) feel +/-20% more ‘Dangerous Dictator’ than
— Hispanic protestant (33) & white catholic(39).
— white evangios protestants only (17).
I 100% feel he’s a ‘Dangerous Dictator’ … anyone not seeing that is OTL.
Jehovah’s Witnesses not listed … since their vote is for God / Jesus alone … they don’t participate in politics at all - they’re waiting for them to resolve all these issues.
Seems to me that the asymmetry is primarily along religious grounds. We must continue to resist Christian Nationalists at every opportunity.
I don’t equate Christian nationalism with Christianity, at all. I think this is an extreme movement, just like fundamentalism dresses in the clothes of any other religion or no religion. I think a huge problem is that the mainstream Christian denomination leaders who know this is bad are being much too quiet—see no evil approach.
The white Xian nationalists I know 'know' God is shifting history through their adopted Saviour. And they concur with Putin. So war on 'non'-Christians is God-ordained (blueprint = Hebrew Bible). Their 'denomination leaders' really believe this, know it's 'good', of God, not bad. Do not think they will change their 'knowing.'
The fact is, 40% of the US population is either completely ignorant, willfully ignorant, racist or a millionaire/billionaire who will always vote for someone like the orange felon.
The really funny part are the so-called christians who continue to let the worst sinner in history be their "leader."
https://www.readtangle.com/things-are-still-bad-a-conservative-view/?ref=tangle-newsletter
White Christian nationalists are getting desperate. A preponderance of their support was born before 1980. Those born since 1980 are more liberal, less white, and less Christian.
MAGA is a backlash to that and Trump is their Pied Piper. They believe, correctly I think, it is now or never for them to put in white Christian nationalist semi-theocracy. By the 2030 s it will be too late. Their tactics have been shock-and -awe since Jan 20.
I hope tomorrow's election is a Blue Blowout. That will be a good indication MAGA will fail.
"We found that only four in ten Americans (41%) see Trump as a strong leader who should be given the power he needs, compared to a majority (56%) who see him as a dangerous dictator whose power should be limited."
"Only" 41% think that Trump needs/should be given more dicatatorial powers? That is truly frightening. At least there appear to be some cracks showing up. In this primarily red farming and small business community, people who previously had Trump signs in their yards have been showing up at the No Kings rallys here - carrying a totally different kind of sign!
We have never been "evenly" divided, as polarization implies equal and opposing views.
If you must characterize it this way, lose the easy "red vs. blue" or Republican vs Democrat split.
It has been and remains a recognition of "right vs. wrong", "ethical vs. immoral", true vs. fiction. We must stop sanitizing discussions, allowing "performative neutrality" on media, and refuse to call despicable words, actions, policies. Our societal values of the necessity for decency and empathy within a diverse community have been trashed and shredded. If we are ever to be able to recoup the intrinsic values that are the foundation of our society, we must light a bonfire under those who would make it extinct.
While it's good that around 55% see Don the Con as a dangerous would-be dictator, it's frightening that it's only 55%! In any sane climate it ought to be 75% or more!
It reminds me of the SCROTUS decision on flag burning. The court ruled 5-4 that it was protected speech under the First Amendment. Either the majority or concurrent opinion was written by, of all people, Scalia! He said something to the effect of:
If I were King, I'd take every scruffy-bearded flag burner, put him [sic] in jail and throw away the key. But I'm not the King, and I must interpret the laws according to my best understanding of the Constitution, and I understand that flag-burning is protected speech.
Some critics praised the Court's decision to allow flag burning, but others lamented that the decision was 5-4 when it should have been 9-0 because considering flag-burning to be protected protest was a no-brainer!
"restore American greatness..." I'm having trouble with that phrase! Almost everything Trump is doing is destroying American greatness. Please put that phrase in scare-quotes in the future! It's one of those "phrases we can do without."
For the second question, why did you settle on "dictator" instead of something less extreme, e.g., "tyrant"?
One of the reasons I ask is that the best and brightest of those who wrote or considered ratifying our original Constitution or the Bill of Rights in 1787-1791 thought and spoke much about tyrants and tyranny. The Declaration of Independence was about the people's independence from tyranny and tyrants, not only kings.
James Madison and Alexander Hamilton explained why our Constitution requires separation of powers (legislative, executive and judicial). Such separation was crucial to our Constitution and our liberty. In The Federalist Papers, James Madison (Federalist No. 47) and Alexander Hamilton (Federalist No. 78) invoked and quoted Montesquieu:
Madison: "The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many" is "the very definition of tyranny." Tyranny (an excessive accumulation of power) is dangerous and detrimental regardless of whether one (e.g., the president), a few (including any faction in Congress or on SCOTUS) or many (any political or religious faction among the people) possess the power of tyrants to oppress others. As Madison emphasized, under our Constitution there is great danger of oppression and tyranny by any faction or political or religious majority (or even a minority).
"In order to form correct ideas on this important subject, it will be proper to investigate the sense in which the preservation of liberty requires that the three great departments of power should be separate and distinct. The oracle who is always consulted and cited on this subject is the celebrated Montesquieu." "Montesquieu" emphasized (and the people who wrote and ratified our Constitution believed) "There can be no liberty where the legislative and executive powers are united in the same person, or body of magistrates," or, "if the power of judging be not separated from the legislative and executive powers."
Hamilton: "I agree" with Montesquieu that "there is no liberty, if the power of judging be not separated from the legislative and executive powers." Maybe "liberty can have nothing to fear from the judiciary alone, but would have every thing to fear from its union with either of the other departments."
I hope enough people wake up before it's irreversible
Question for the author:
How do you weight your totals in this survey?
In other words, if you are pre-determining that 30% are self-identified Republicans and 13% are white evangelicals and the groups do not overlap, is there a possibility that weighting bias accounts for the startling alignment of Republicans value at ~40% so many times?
I wonder what percentage of white non-evangelical, non-denominational Christians believe Trump is a threat to democracy? Though there are some evangelicals who view Trump as a threat to our democracy. I know a few of them.
Excellent delve into the Dangerous Dictator poll.
Interesting that 🔹Catholic Hispanics (58) feel +/-20% more ‘Dangerous Dictator’ than
— Hispanic protestant (33) & white catholic(39).
— white evangios protestants only (17).
I 100% feel he’s a ‘Dangerous Dictator’ … anyone not seeing that is OTL.
Jehovah’s Witnesses not listed … since their vote is for God / Jesus alone … they don’t participate in politics at all - they’re waiting for them to resolve all these issues.