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It's Come To This's avatar

Practically every day last week a new 'Democrats in Disarray' article popped up in the New York Times with regard to Maine. 'Filling an enormous hole' 'scrambling to respond' 'fighting with Chuck Schumer: stay out of Maine' and most recently with regard to the former President of Maine's Senate 'a complicated past' and....wait for it...'his positions on social issues have CHANGED!' [gasp].

What is it with the Times and other outlets that they keep coming back, again and again, to paint a picture of chaotic gloom mostly in their imaginations? Maine may well serve as a textbook manual for how to clean up a mess on aisle 11 and get back on your feet as quickly as possible.

Personally, I would not want to be Susan Collins right now. As Andy Borowitz said, she's concerned that Maine voters will now remember the things she actually did.

James Quinn's avatar

The Times was not nearly so gleeful as the OpEd page of the Wall Street Journal which even took time out of their endless diatribes against democratic socialists out to destroy America to delight in the Platner issue even while many of their pundits ignore the fact that a man now actually convicted of sexual abuse sits in the Oval Office.

Anne Pierce's avatar

You can always trust the Wall Street Journal, which used to be a real newspaper, to ignore Trump's failings and pound on anyone they think might be a threat to him. The last thing the WSJ can stand is for Mayor Mamdani to be successful.

James Quinn's avatar

Actually there is a kind of split personality over there. Their news reporters have often worked to expose Trump’s failings even as their OpEd page often continues to enable or excuse him while playing their endless game of false ‘whataboutism’.

Pam Birkenfeld's avatar

The editorial page has always been on the extreme end of right wing. I agree with you about the split, they have good reporters on that front page and news. It’s weird how they can be like that.

dagmar karppi's avatar

I think we need a different name to use in place of Democratic Socialists. I think it should be Democratic Humanitarians. The word

socialist immediately lets Communist pop up in people's brains. We are not thinking of Communism, we are thinking about the way this country should think and treat their citizens. We should be thinking and planning to have the healthiest, smartest, active Americans. The government should be helping ALL of us improve as opposed to what Trump has been doing... hurting as many of us as possible.

That includes his actions against immigrants. Taking people who have jobs (not careers) and pay taxes, and warehousing them where they become a financial loss to us. Trump is a case of Dumb and Dummer in how to run a government. We need a humanitarian concept in the future. And Mamdami might be leading the way.

Pam Birkenfeld's avatar

I agree with this too. I know someone who describes himself as a Roosevelt democrat in his upbringing, and hate Trump. However he thinks that the progressives are communist. I pointed out that communist are the ones that owned the means of production. That would include Trump because he keeps buying shares of companies on behalf of the US. And social Democrats are what most of Europe is. I haven’t heard back from him since I said that!

LiverpoolFCfan's avatar

"What is abnormal and dangerous is politics that operates as a cult of personality, in which fear, self-abasement, and groupthink create a rigid uniformity that forecloses the push-and-shove of healthy debate."

A big thanks to Ms. Rubin for pointing out this fundamental truth.

Politics SHOULD be a debate, bolstered by facts, statistics, and experience. The Trump era of believing whatever the dear leader says (even if it directly contradicts what he just said yesterday) is a sign of serious cognitive disability among his followers.

Empirically-derived facts should always trump emotions and "gut feelings". Critical thinking is a human strength, which is why we start teaching it in elementary school. (The 4 C's: Communication, Collaboration, Creativity, and Critical Thinking Skills).

James Quinn's avatar

"Empirically-derived facts should always trump emotions and "gut feelings”.

Were we all AI bots, this would be true. As long as we are human, however, emirically derived facts will always vie with emotions and gut feelings.

Had we depended entirely on empirically defined facts, we would never have taken on the British military in 1775. The odds were completely against us. Every empirical fact pointed to a British victory.

As humans, we are a contradiction in terms. I often think of us as an awkward combination of animal, poet, builder, and would-be god. The result is the cacophony created by our fears, our dreams, our tools, and our hubris. Out of that we have constructed a world of contradictions - a world dominated by a species that cannot seem to decide what it wants, even after over five thousand years of what we call ‘civilization’.

Currently 'We the People’ are caught up in just a conundrum. Democracy’s greatest strength and its greatest weakness are one in the same - our glorification of the rights of the individual to life,libery, and the pursuit of happiness even as we demand to survive as one creedal nation.

It is a conundrum we have yet to resolve.

CharlesI's avatar

Susan's "concerns" are duly noted. Somehow, Susie's concerns never counted for a nominee or noxious piece of legislation if her party needed her vote. It's clearly time to retire her.

Robert E.'s avatar

Beware the political Edsel. Don't supplant a dud.

Marshall Kinkead's avatar

I dumped the Times a few months back. I could no longer support their blinders regarding Trump's obvious dementia.

David's avatar

I dumped the Times when they dogpiled on Biden and gave the pedophile a pass.

Nona Faurnonce's avatar

And I dumped the Times after the Hilary Clinton emails bit contributed to Trump's first election win. Every time I think of re-subscribing all I have to do is remember.

Hummingbird3's avatar

Right on! Legacy media is owned by those who have an interest in keeping this country on its current, terrible path. In addition, responding to your question “what is it with the Times and other outlets”, the answer is also us and our click-bait, sport’s team winners or losers, strength or weakness, zero sum, all or nothing, headline-focused mentality. Legacy media delivers. And our national attention deficit disorder. Thoughtfulness, critical thinking, strategy, long-range view and consequences are not hallmarks of too many American voters. And those are the qualities we’re going to need to adopt if we ever get out of this mess and try to undo the damage to this country and make sure we can never be here again.

dagmar karppi's avatar

Do you remember Omnibus on TV. It was a program that educated us. It was a regular dose of culture and education that we need today.

I pay for Channel 13 but now, with the government not supporting public broadcasting... they are forced to add music program after music program as their offerings to the public. My belief it is because people send in money for the CDs to keep the station alive. Sad.

Today we need, really need programs to educate the public on citizenship,

as well as critical thinking. Maybe someone can invent a Critical Thinking Wheel of Fortune, or Jeopardy.

Kim Slocum's avatar

Simon Rosenberg has about the best take on this that I’ve heard. In his view, we need to look at any Maine Senatorial candidate vs. a “generic Democrat.” Since Maine is a D+7 state that means the nominee should poll about 7% ahead of Susan Collins. Anyone with numbers somewhere around that level should be OK. It goes without saying that we really need to win this seat if we want to have any real chance of flipping the Senate next year—which will be absolutely crucial to slowing the Republican march to autocracy.

Susan Wladaver-Morgan's avatar

Schumer is disgraceful and so out of touch. He has still not apologized or tried to find common ground with Mamdani, and no he refuses to endorse the Democratic nominee in Maine. If Democrats can somehow take the Senate, and maybe even if they don’t, one of the first things they should do is dump Schumer from his leadership position.

It's Come To This's avatar

And....you just took the bait, again. Try to understand -- 'these are not the issues you should be looking for' -- to paraphrase Obi-Wan Kenobe.

Tim Matchette's avatar

What I keep seeing in the NYT, are articles by novice hires, interns, etc. THe newspaper business suffers from a lack of talent as many gifted journalists left.

Joseph McPhillips's avatar

Republicans wreck the economy, balloon the deficit & transfer wealth to the wealthiest.

Flawed, not perfect Dems are at least an order of magnitude better than the Trump & Co packs of depraved sociopaths. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_i38-qjtbI Resist corrupt authoritarians.

Please, bring on a Blue Tsunami. #VoteBlue!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6ji9EFt9Lg

Mary Hunter's avatar

Thank you Jennifer. I was part of the process in a very minor way (I volunteered to be a delegate to the nominating convention and was not chosen), and it was remarkably cheerful, efficient and focused. My questions got answered promptly and personally, things happened when and where promised, and minor inevitable confusions were ironed out. More than 3000 people statewide volunteered for the 500 regular delegate slots, and the 250-word application statements published before the caucuses were without exception thoughtful, heartfelt and articulate (I only read the 188 from my county, but still..). Platner has to get credit for stirring up this level of civilized engagement. Thanks also for giving credit to Shenna Bellows, a remarkable public servant and stellar Secretary of State.

Jane in NC's avatar

Thanks so much for reporting from the on the ground, Mary! Of course, these are the stories that don't get any attention from the MSM.

Daniel Solomon's avatar

The story that makes Congressional Republicans most uncomfortable is EPSTEIN.

Jane in NC's avatar

I'm thinking it's a coin toss between Epstein and 'who won the 2020 election?'

Cynthia Phillips's avatar

Thanks for the report!

Stephen Brady's avatar

There are some other encouraging lessons here. A high-level candidate with real chops and prior vetting can be advanced quickly. That implies that we could shorten the national elections into a far shorter cycle than the endless electioneering we now endure. The UK and other European democracies do this. It is time not just for campaign finance reform, but real democratic election reform. Finally, I think Susan Collins should be very afraid. Democrats may finally have their act together.

Emily Barr's avatar

I felt heard and seen and trusted the process. Sorry for hitting send prematurely

Noah Dowd's avatar

You can edit your comments. See the 3 dots to the right of your name? Click on that, and one of your choices will be to edit the comment.

Mary Ann Havas's avatar

I love Maine's common sense approach. Focusing on keeping our democracy and beating fascism is what is most important rather than focusing on ideologies that so many don't understand. I'm not saying they shouldn't understand them, but in this particular time that we are in protecting our country and our future is a first priority.

Cynthia Phillips's avatar

I agree. People don't understand ideologies. But, they understand specific cases, like people gunned down in the street and babies in cages. To paraphrase an old saying, I don't know anything about facism, but I know what I won't stand for.

Local parties and local people are the best way. They just see a problem, roll up their sleeves and go to work solving their own problems. Ideology is necessary to keep things from taking a negative turn, but it is insufficient for concrete results.

Daniel Solomon's avatar

They didn't "understand" when their kids were drafted and placed in harm's way. They didn't "understand" when "tax cuts" cut their government benefits. When they lost their jobs to foreign countries. When their money becomes worth less.

It's the culture.

They'll understand when they don't want to be allied (and aligned) with preverts.

David's avatar

I think most of them would rather die than admit they were wrong.

Patricia Dempsey's avatar

They dove right in and got the job done. That's good old Maine common sense! Congrats.

James Quinn's avatar

There will be always be those who cannot tolerate the essential messiness and frequent inefficiency of the democratic process. It would be nice if they would leave for countries where autocratic rule would make them far more comfortable, and where they would swiftly discover how foolish they were to do think that a better system.

They would then seek to return, and we could stop them at the border, telling them only democracy supporters would be granted citizenship.

Carol Gamm's avatar

We’re proud of Maine. And if you want to see MSM prejudice , check out some of the NYTimes articles on Ukraine. You would have thought Russia would have win in a “walkover.”

Susan Iwanisziw's avatar

The NYTimes has always been hostile to Ukraine. The Guardian does a better job.

Carol Gamm's avatar

Thanks. Phillips O’Brien and Mick Ryan are also good.

Susan Iwanisziw's avatar

I subscribe to General Ryan, who recently earned his PhD.

Nina T's avatar

Thank you always for your clear headed explanation of situations. It helps a lot. Especially in this “ real” chaos we live in.

Michelle Jordan's avatar

The only disarray is in the Republican Party. Had this scenario been the opposite trying to find someone to replace Susan Collins for example, the process likely would have been very different and possibly in disarray. As long as this candidate is acceptable to most Mainers then they’ve made some serious progress. I hope he’s successful in November.

Emily Barr's avatar

As a resident of Maine, I participated in the process to replace Platner on the ticket and while my preferred candidate did not prevail,

Daniel Solomon's avatar

A yellow dog is preferable to Collins.

Bonnie Hahn's avatar

Thanks for this article, a clear view of what is "normal". Sometimes we think craziness is normal. I'm learning that diversity and disagreeing kindly is most normal. Let's keep up the good work!

Jane in NC's avatar

As I see it, the opposite of 'disarray' is lockstep. At least when things are temporarily in disarray, that means people are thinking for themselves and finding a solution. Lockstep means abdicating thought in favor of taking orders.

The MSM coverage of the Democrats' selection of a new candidate in Maine is trite, uninformed, and completely predictable. When similar - or worse - things happen on the MAGA side, as they do routinely, you hear not a single peep.

Noah Dowd's avatar

And lockstep only works in the short term, if at all. Eventually, entropy (disarray) sets in, which requires creative thinking to overcome.

Nadine Bangerter's avatar

Like showing up for weekly protests in my Maine town, the county meeting last weekend was uplifting and energizing. A diverse group of people, over 400 in person and at least 400 online voted.

Just to know we belong to a party that isn't in lockstep to one man and cares about our neighbors, working families, the environment, healthcare, foreign policy and women's rights was worth the couple of hours needed to cast our votes.

Thomas Moore's avatar

How many more young people like Isabella Gonzalez have to die while this slow process grinds its way forward? Apparently there are not enough "good" people within the ranks of Republicans, among our CEOs and other societal leaders, to force an end to it now. But if they did step up, would there be enough "ordinary" Americans to join them? I guess so long as it's not our kid that gets killed, we can't be bothered. And we made sure our kids didn't join up, didn't we?

JL West's avatar

I saw on the news yesterday that this has been THE most unpopular US war ever - from Day 1. It's being waged by people who simply don't give a shit what "we the people" want. What would you have us do? March in the streets by the millions? While Trump plays golf and again, "doesn't give a shit"? The legacy media wouldn't even bother to report on it.

There's even no point in contacting our Congress reps as Trump doesn't give a shit what they want either. He doesn't care what our allies think. He doesn't care about the countries hosting our bases, who are being hammered too. He doesn't care about his approval rating; why should he?

His sons are heavily invested in defense industries now, and he's got Hegseth whispering in his ear that he is the greatest warfighter president of all time, with the mightiest military the world has ever seen, and he must crush his enemies!

But in fact, he's lost this war, but Trump can never be "a loser". His ego won't permit it.

So what do you see ordinary Americans able to do about this situation?

Steve 218's avatar

"There's even no point in contacting our Congress reps as Trump doesn't give a shit what they want either."

To the contrary, we should be bombarding our congressional representation constantly, loudly, and voluminously. They need to be forced to stand and take a position on this illegal war of choice, and those who support it and the corrupt president need to be voted out.

JL West's avatar

My Congressman is Jack Bergman, a retired Lt. General who rode Trump's coattails in 2016, and ever since up here in MI's Upper Peninsula of Magaland. He's signed on to Trump's crusade against Canada's wildfires as MI has been engulfed in smoke for days now (this is our first clear day). He was probably an intelligent man at one time, but now he is a Trumper not above saying the same moronic things as Trump about a forest fire raging where there are not even any roads!

He's campaigning on "Promises made, promises kept" - those being Trump's promises. He sees that as his role - to rubber-stamp and approve everything he says and does. And why not? He'll likely get elected with 2/3 of the vote. Again.

Steve 218's avatar

What promises that benefit people has Trump kept? Time for the Michigan opposition to stand and ask this question, loudly and often. Point out the damage that his policies have done, also loudly and often. If the word finally gets through to the voters, Bergman will fail to get reelected. Democracy takes work.

JL West's avatar

Key legislative and policy benchmarks frequently highlighted by his office include:

Budget & Taxes: Bergman voted in support of landmark legislation like the "One Big Beautiful Bill" Act and the Working Families Tax Cuts law, which eliminated taxes on overtime and tips, and advanced efforts to make 2017 tax cuts permanent.

National Security & Border Control: He supported historic investments in defense and border security, specifically targeting the reduction of illegal immigration and the flow of fentanyl.

Local Infrastructure: In his campaigns and tenure representing Michigan's Upper Peninsula and Northern Michigan, Bergman frequently champions the Soo Locks modernization project as a prime example of "promises made, promises kept".

(That last bit was begun and financed under Biden, but Bergman likes to take credit for it.)

I truly can't imagine what it would take to get through to MAGA voters up here. Even IF you could find a way to inform them of some Democratic plan that would benefit them personally, they would still vote for the Republicans because Trump says Democrats are Communists who want to completely ruin our country. Or maybe it's someone like my nephew who truly wants to see a Christian Theocracy. The other nephew just wants those tax breaks as he's wealthy enough to benefit from them. Another friend wouldn't vote for a Democrat because of abortion. My cousin's daughter wouldn't because her husband is convinced Democrats want to take away his guns.

These are people who truly believe "the trans" want to corrupt their kids. Who don't want "the gay agenda" taught in the schools. Who believe Democrats want to give their tax money to Blacks. Who want "their" country free of immigrant "scum". Who fear Muslims. You name the Republican hot-button issue, and they are there.

Bergman's law signs are cropping up all over with "Trump Endorsed" as his first line. That's all he'll need to get re-elected.

FromMaine's avatar

Those people are in Maine as well. It's gobsmacking how deep into Trump they are.

Steve 218's avatar

Trump has gone full Joseph McCarthy on Communism. He wasn't getting enough headlines and reaction to calling Democrats Socialists, so now he's waving the red flag, with no evidence. Democrats cannot be both Socialists and Communists at the same time. The man is crazy. As for the Big Beautiful Bill, those who favor it so much need to read the whole thing. It ain't as good as it sounds. Those who want a Christian Theocracy need reminded of the separation of Church and State. It was for a good reason, and the one issue voters - nothing can be done for them. Yeah, with all that you present, he will likely win. Pity.

Kate O'Shea's avatar

Maine did an amazing job pulling everything together! I was sorry to see that their 31 year-old Democratic Party chair Devon Murphy-Anderson was not mentioned. She is another rising star in the party as demonstrated here in her interview with Simon Rosenberg a few days ago: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NVUyEgTz9tc&ra=m

We should certainly be proud and support Maine for leaping into action so efficiently in such a difficult situation!

Lori's avatar

Yes!! Devon Murphy-Anderson was quite impressive in all the interviews she gave! Brava!!