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I appreciate the nuance, Mr. O’Neill. We so often get just black or white judgments, when these don’t suffice in the real world. I know I say this frequently, but the same stay-or-go? dynamic extends to all federal employees. Given a choice to quit or stay and be harassed by Elon Musk and Trump in 2025, we faced an impossible decision, and our livelihoods were on the line. Much government work is proprietary, meaning the skills and expertise developed over time are not transferable to other sectors. And getting another well-paying job when in your 60s is probably not going to happen. Thanks to pay freezes and other circumstances, we were unable to save for a transition.

We all need an income. So now, whether to stay or go is no longer an ethical or moral issue but a survival one. This is the situation that DOGE meant to force; now it’s “we own you.” And that is very demoralizing indeed.

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Just finished "Regime Change - Inside the Imperial Presidency of Donald Trump" by Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan, published on June 23rd. Excerpts from page 398 regarding Caine:

"So persistent was the chairman [Caine] in not taking a stand - repeating that it was not his role tell the President what to do, but rather to present options along with potential risks and possible second and third-order consequences - that he could appear to argue all sides of an issue simultaneously."

"Caine differed in almost every way from the Joint Chiefs chairman Trump's first administration, General Mark Milley, who had argued vehemently with Trump and who saw his role as stopping the President from taking dangerous or reckless actions."

"A close observer noted that Trump seemed to confuse tactical advice from Caine with strategic counsel."

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